cferneyh Wrote:Well Habs fans, I gotta say that I'm very jealous of how well your team has been playing this year. And this is rather blasphemous for a Leaf fan to say, but I actually don't mind these Habs. When I was growing up the Habs were easy to dislike - guys like Chelios, Corson, Stephane Richer, Claude Lemieux ensured a maximum level of dislike. And even right up to Jose Theodore, I could always easily find one player on the Habs' roster that I couldn't stand. But as I watch the 05/06 version, I see a team that is not as easy to dislike. There's no one true superstar (though a couple more years of Huet playing like this and he will be), and when someone goes down (like Higgins) someone steps in (Latendresse) and does the job. So congrats....you bastards. :lol:
You're no longer allowed to post after you've had 14 afternoon beers...Leaf Nation forever!!!
tigerthelion Wrote:Really? It looked to me like Spacek ran him into the post.
As a hockey fan, I'd like to say that it WAS a sucker punch but WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL? He didn't hit his brain stem. A few odd sucker punches during a season are as much a part of hockey as fighting. I'm not saying it's a very honourable thing to do but there are so many thuggish actions in the NHL that I don't think this sucker punch was that big of a deal. Hitting someone in the eye with the blade of your stick is much worse than punching someone in the face.
9 games? That's purely ridiculous.
On a different note, why was Naslund so vehement in arguing that his goal should have counted? He scored with less than a second to go in the game. If the goal counted, it would have been a 2-1 loss for the Canucks instead of the 2-0 loss. What's the big deal? Is Naslund that worried about his stats these days?
9 games is ridiculous, he should be out for the season. No message sent, things will get worse. Wait and see.
tigerthelion Wrote:A few odd sucker punches during a season are as much a part of hockey as fighting. I'm not saying it's a very honourable thing to do but there are so many thuggish actions in the NHL that I don't think this sucker punch was that big of a deal.
I would love to see what would happen if someone sucker punched Crosby or Ovechkin! Think the league would be consistent? Doubt it. It would be a very big deal.
The Nichol incident reminded me of the Domi-Samuelsson punch years back when Ulf got knocked out cold.
Spacek left the game and may not even play Sat. night versus the Blues. I wouldn't go as far as to say it is part of the game. Goals, hits, a few bad calls by the refs every now and then, that is part of the game...not sucker punches.
I am just saying that I wouldn't want that to happen to any player on any team, even the Leafs! Just a shitty thing to do and makes the NHL look really bad.
cferneyh Wrote:Well Habs fans, I gotta say that I'm very jealous of how well your team has been playing this year. And this is rather blasphemous for a Leaf fan to say, but I actually don't mind these Habs. When I was growing up the Habs were easy to dislike - guys like Chelios, Corson, Stephane Richer, Claude Lemieux ensured a maximum level of dislike. And even right up to Jose Theodore, I could always easily find one player on the Habs' roster that I couldn't stand. But as I watch the 05/06 version, I see a team that is not as easy to dislike. There's no one true superstar (though a couple more years of Huet playing like this and he will be), and when someone goes down (like Higgins) someone steps in (Latendresse) and does the job. So congrats....you bastards. :lol:
Honestly as a Leafs fan I agree with you...when I was a kid the Habs were my most hated team, but Ottawa took that title a few years ago and has never looked back. I think it all started when Doug Gilmour played for Montreal, cause how could you not cheer for a team that Dougie played on? Ever since then my dislike for them has slowly faded away, to the point now that, as ashamed as I am to admit it, I find myself rooting for the Habs more than any other team except for the Leafs and Oilers. :oops:
Drez7 Wrote:tigerthelion Wrote:A few odd sucker punches during a season are as much a part of hockey as fighting. I'm not saying it's a very honourable thing to do but there are so many thuggish actions in the NHL that I don't think this sucker punch was that big of a deal.
I would love to see what would happen if someone sucker punched Crosby or Ovechkin! Think the league would be consistent? Doubt it. It would be a very big deal.
The Nichol incident reminded me of the Domi-Samuelsson punch years back when Ulf got knocked out cold.
Spacek left the game and may not even play Sat. night versus the Blues. I wouldn't go as far as to say it is part of the game. Goals, hits, a few bad calls by the refs every now and then, that is part of the game...not sucker punches.
I am just saying that I wouldn't want that to happen to any player on any team, even the Leafs! Just a shitty thing to do and makes the NHL look really bad.
I don't think cork screwing players into the goalpost is part of the game either then. :rambo:
BuffaloHipFan Wrote:tigerthelion Wrote:Really? It looked to me like Spacek ran him into the post.
As a hockey fan, I'd like to say that it WAS a sucker punch but WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL? He didn't hit his brain stem. A few odd sucker punches during a season are as much a part of hockey as fighting. I'm not saying it's a very honourable thing to do but there are so many thuggish actions in the NHL that I don't think this sucker punch was that big of a deal. Hitting someone in the eye with the blade of your stick is much worse than punching someone in the face.
9 games? That's purely ridiculous.
On a different note, why was Naslund so vehement in arguing that his goal should have counted? He scored with less than a second to go in the game. If the goal counted, it would have been a 2-1 loss for the Canucks instead of the 2-0 loss. What's the big deal? Is Naslund that worried about his stats these days?
9 games is ridiculous, he should be out for the season. No message sent, things will get worse. Wait and see.
Out for the season. Yeah, that's logical. :roll: It wasn't that bad. How dangerous was it? Spacek got his bell rung. He didn't lose an eye, he isn't paralyzed. 1 game was all Nichol deserved, if that.
Buffalo is a great example of why I hate the new NHL. Little midgets like Briere and Roy can skate around virtually untouched. Too much physicality has been taken out of hockey. What the hell is wrong with that moron Spacek? Who runs a player into the post and then turns away from the player? A play like this ten years ago wouldn't have caused such a stir. Hockey is supposed to be a physical game. Watching a Buffalo game is tantamount to watching pond hockey. Little, weak, fast skaters going around falling all over the ice from contact with bigger, stronger players. That's not how hockey should be played IMO. Spacek took a punch, ONE PUNCH to the face. He isn't seriously injured. What's the big deal?
What do you mean, things will get worse? In what way? It can't get any worse. High sticking is the biggest pandemic in hockey. Until there are stiffer penalties for high sticking, the state of hockey won't improve.
tigerthelion Wrote:Buffalo is a great example of why I hate the new NHL. Little midgets like Briere and Roy can skate around virtually untouched. Too much physicality has been taken out of hockey.
I simply don't understand how anyone can say that taking
obstruction out of the game - you know - hooking, interfering, grabbing, clutching - is taking
physicality out of game. What's so
physical about Derian Hatcher (as an example) using his stick to slow down someone who is ten times the skater he'll ever be?
And despite what Don Cherry would like you to believe, high-sticking has been around forever. For example....
It stemmed from a March 13, 1955, game in which Richard was given a match penalty for deliberately injuring Hal Laycoe - tomahawking him over the head with his stick – and punching linesman Cliff Thompson.
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cferneyh Wrote:tigerthelion Wrote:Buffalo is a great example of why I hate the new NHL. Little midgets like Briere and Roy can skate around virtually untouched. Too much physicality has been taken out of hockey.
I simply don't understand how anyone can say that taking obstruction out of the game - you know - hooking, interfering, grabbing, clutching - is taking physicality out of game. What's so physical about Derian Hatcher (as an example) using his stick to slow down someone who is ten times the skater he'll ever be?
And despite what Don Cherry would like you to believe, high-sticking has been around forever. For example....
It stemmed from a March 13, 1955, game in which Richard was given a match penalty for deliberately injuring Hal Laycoe - tomahawking him over the head with his stick – and punching linesman Cliff Thompson.
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I know that high sticking has been around forever. I never said that it wasn't always present. I said there should be SEVERE repercussions for high sticking. When have you ever heard me say I take what Don Cherry says seriously?
You don't understand? That's fine. It's simple for me. Three, four, five years ago when I watched an NHL game there were hits and players were more physical. The last two seasons, I watch games and there aren't as many physical plays. Pretty simple really. What's so physical about hockey now, when Daniel Briere and Kyle Wellwood can stand in front of the net without getting pushed out? :roll: What's so physical about hockey now when I see Scott Neidermeyer standing in the danger zone during a power play and the opposing d-man gets a penalty if he touches him?
I didn't mean to imply that you specifically take what Cherry says seriously, I'm just pointing out that high sticking isn't a new thing. It's been around as long as the sport has, so to say Until there are stiffer penalties for high sticking, the state of hockey won't improve implies that high sticking is a recent development.
I guess you equate clutching and grabbing with physical play. I equate that to obstruction and interference. To each his own I guess. But it seems to me that the guys who have struggled in the "new" NHL are lumbering morons who can't skate (Derian Hatcher, Tie Domi), whereas guys who know how to skate and be physical have adjusted nicely (Chris Pronger comes to mind).
cferneyh Wrote:I didn't mean to imply that you specifically take what Cherry says seriously, I'm just pointing out that high sticking isn't a new thing. It's been around as long as the sport has, so to say Until there are stiffer penalties for high sticking, the state of hockey won't improve implies that high sticking is a recent development.
I guess you equate clutching and grabbing with physical play. I equate that to obstruction and interference. To each his own I guess. But it seems to me that the guys who have struggled in the "new" NHL are lumbering morons who can't skate (Derian Hatcher, Tie Domi), whereas guys who know how to skate and be physical have adjusted nicely (Chris Pronger comes to mind).
Yes, it's apparent that high sticking was never taken seriously since it's been around forever and it still happens too frequently.
No, physical play to me is body checks and clearing the front of the net. I see too little of either. Ovechkin and Iginla are two guys that I enjoy watching because of their physical play. Ovechkin plays more like a power forward than a finesse scorer. Tucker is another guy that plays a good style of hockey. I guess what bothers me is that I don't like seeing small, little FINESSE players skating around unharmed. I like to think strength and size should be advantages for a player in what is supposed to be a physical sport but not so much anymore.
Anyway, it's all good.
Merry Christmas to all! :thumb:
The battle of New York resumed tonight, with the same result as the previous two meetings this season, an Islanders win
The Islanders completely dominated this game from start to finish. Henrik Lundqvist did all he could to keep his team in the game, but Rangers offense was nowhere to be found tonight. I didn't think Martin Straka, Michael Nylander or Brendan Shanahan were really visable at all tonight. Jaromir Jagr had a few decent chances, but wasn't able to extend his points streak at the Coliseum to 23 games.
I'll give props to the Islanders though, they played a solid team game the entire 60 minutes, and although he wasn't tested much at all in the game, Rick DiPietro deserved his 3rd straight shut-out at home.
Go Nucks...Linden's on fire!!
so 6 goals in the first 11 minutes is pretty good eh? :lol:
cratch:
:thumb: :rambo: