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mastodonfarm Wrote:Just the reactions that WATS elicit is interesting. Of course everyone's entitled to their opinions and is equally entitled to post criticisms both good and bad. But the huge split with the fans in liking it or not is just interesting.

From one listen to the next, I can't tell if I love it, or am just meh about it. To me, most of the songs are satisfying or better (much better!). A few are clunkers - that is to say they do nothing for me. But still double digit listen-tos later, I still ask myself after each session, "What the hell did I just listen to there!?!"

To me, and it seems like to many others, there's this not easily defined characteristic about WATS. Not easily ingested or digested. (The fact that Amazon lists it as "their most easily accessible album to date" is complete horseshit. It might be their LEAST accessible album. Yanno, whatever the hell that even means...) And for fan boys, that doesn't seem like a bad thing to me. It's not bubblegum pop, it's not typical radio rock. It's going to take effort and time and acclimation to figure this thing out. Maybe it's their "Citizen Kane" or "Watchmen". And if it is, I'm totally prepared to find out what the hell is its Rosebud or telelporting vagina squid.

:lol: You could be on to something there, I feel the same was as you do about the album as a whole. But when I first listened to M@W I absolutely hated it, I thought it was the biggest piece of garbage they ever did and now it's easily in my top 3 Hip albums of all time. I really like this album, and certainly don't hate it, but I just mean that I may grow to love it like M@W in time.

My favourite Hawksley Workman album is Treeful of Starling, for anyone who knows his music. The first time I listened to it I couldn't stand it, I wanted to try to return it to the store, now I love it. It's weird how your perceptions can completely change like that.
Whoever said this was a great headphones :music record was spot-on.

There's so much to listen to, and sometimes the cans really help you pick up on some things, as you can better hear the individual tracks due to the channeling and crossfading.

I was listening to Speed River on with headphones yesterday, and something that just popped out (which gets a little buried on regular car or stereo speakers) was the electric 12-string, which can be heard on the left channel, I believe. Good composition, awesome sound...a very "classic" sound, like an old Rickenbaker 12-string or something....reminiscent of Roger McGuinn's work on many of The Byrds' records....
mastodonfarm Wrote:To me, and it seems like to many others, there's this not easily defined characteristic about WATS. Not easily ingested or digested. (The fact that Amazon lists it as "their most easily accessible album to date" is complete horseshit. It might be their LEAST accessible album. Yanno, whatever the hell that even means...) And for fan boys, that doesn't seem like a bad thing to me. It's not bubblegum pop, it's not typical radio rock. It's going to take effort and time and acclimation to figure this thing out. Maybe it's their "Citizen Kane" or "Watchmen". And if it is, I'm totally prepared to find out what the hell is its Rosebud or telelporting vagina squid.

That reminds me of hearing Gordie say a few times, "I think we're on to something here."

With every Hip album up to this one, the direction the album was taking was immediately clear within the first 2-3 tracks. But with this there isn't really.

I have to keep going back and listening, over and over and over to try and figure it out. This is a complex and not easily digestable album, and clearly contains things that will be discovered well past the "regular rotation" phase. The fact that I have to keep listening to this album only tells me that it will at some point in the future reveal itself to me. And it won't be on the first few dozen listens either. And that, I find, is a common trait with my top favourite albums.
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:lol: You could be on to something there, I feel the same was as you do about the album as a whole. But when I first listened to M@W I absolutely hated it, I thought it was the biggest piece of garbage they ever did and now it's easily in my top 3 Hip albums of all time. I really like this album, and certainly don't hate it, but I just mean that I may grow to love it like M@W in time.
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Other than the opening/title track M@W did nothing for me at first. I dusted it off years later, and was pissed at myself for snubbing it. Now, it's somewhere around #4 for me. Strang how The Hip can do that to you.
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Escape@Hand Wrote:On a completely unrelated note, I'm listening to Country Day right now, and I'm noticing some distortion at the end of the song when the backing vocals are singing "Country Day". Anyone else notice that?

The CD is mastered too loudly. It's a shame. Just a little bit quieter and you'd hear so much more detail...
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mastodonfarm Wrote:From one listen to the next, I can't tell if I love it, or am just meh about it. To me, most of the songs are satisfying or better (much better!). A few are clunkers - that is to say they do nothing for me. But still double digit listen-tos later, I still ask myself after each session, "What the hell did I just listen to there!?!"

To me, Love Is A First is completely bizarre. And I've heard a lot of bizarre stuff in my day. Not so much the Gord rants, but those in combination with the strange arrangement/combination of instruments. This could be a club hit! It's nearly disco......with guitar squeaks! Who thinks this stuff up? But I love the track.
I'm sure digging this album. I'm finding it to be very enjoyable to sing along to.
Now that I have WATS, it's time to revisit my initial review...

Quote:"Morning Moon" is a great leading track and one of the best on the album. The slide guitar is exceptional and the lyrics paint a beautiful picture. The production doesn't weigh down the song too much, but a little less strings would be appreciated.

This song gets better every time I hear it. I don't even notice the strings any more. I grew up near a nuclear power plant, and although it wasn't across a lake, it could be seen in the distance. Whenever the steam was missing, we'd say "the reactor's down." So you can see why I like this song.

Quote:"Honey, Please" is a good track about songwriting (a la. "My Music at Work") and I love the organ in the background. The solo section, with the mixture of slide guitar, mandolin, and organ, is a musical revelation. The background vocals are a little overdone (one of those wince moments) but it doesn't detract from a good song.

This is quickly becoming one of my favorites on the album. I still love the Hammond in this song.

Quote:"The Last Recluse" is the strongest of the first half with a great chorus melody and some of Gord's best singing on the album. Very thick production, but the organ and (I think) accordion work well together.

Another great song. One of the best choruses in any Hip song. I never thought I'd love an accordion this much. This album has one of the best three song lead-ins of any album I've heard, Hip or not.

Quote:"Coffee Girl" would be good if it weren't for the biggest gaffe on the album - a drum track! I don't know if it's Johnny trying to sound like a drum machine, a sample of his drums, or an electronic loop, but it doesn't fit and makes it sound like a pseudo-hip-hop-pop track. It ruins an otherwise good upbeat track. And a trumpet solo? Don't they have two capable guitarists? Are there any guitars on this song? Wait, there they are, under the drum track and synth. Oh well, at least it's short. What a shame.

That's definitely Johnny on drums. They just sound like a hip-hop drum track. It still sounds a little too much like a John Mayer song, but it's not bad enough of a song to skip over. I'm even getting used to the trumpet. Seriously, when was the last time you heard an accordion and a trumpet on the same rock album? Classic.

Quote:"Now the Struggle Has a Name" is pure anthemic rock, with the slide guitar prominent again. Not prominent enough, though, as it has to share space with a string section. Oh, the strings are under the chorus, too. Wait, there they are under the verse. Too bad it's hard to hear the great Rotovibe guitar lick over the violins. Even the guitar solo has to struggle for space. I'd love to hear this song without the strings. It would sound so much better. So much more alive. This song deserved better.

This is one of the failed experiments. I love the song, though. I just try to tune out the string arrangements. The music soars enough that it didn't need the strings, especially over the guitar solo. This song is going to kick major ass live.

Quote:"The Depression Suite" deserves some special attention. ...this is an epic piece and deserving of its place among the best Hip songs. Luckily the song is so good that it overcomes its grandiose production. The kicker is, without that, it would be a lock for their best song ever. Damn them strings!

I still agree with everything I said before. Take out the strings, keep the rest of the big production, and this is the #1 Hip song of all time. Hands down. As it stands, it's a little too ELO.

Quote:The second half of the album rocks much harder and starts off well with "The Exact Feeling", a rocking tune with the sparsest production on the whole album. It's got a different feel and a much different drum line than the rest of the album. I like the talk box, too. It's hard to hear (big surprise) but it's there. I hope it's more prominent live. "Queen of the Furrows" is the best song on the second half. It has great dynamics, a killer solo (finally!) and good use of mandolin. It's amazing how a song about farming can rock so much. Again, the sparser production brings this song alive. "Speed River" is a song that wouldn't be out of place on Fully Completely. Guitars take the lead (yes!) and the drums change nicely between the verse and chorus. Some of the guitars are positively Beatle-esque. Nice. Good solo, too. Nothing wrong with this song at all. Love the Hammond!

My favorite three-song sequence on the album, even more so than the leading tracks. All these songs rock. Queen of the Furrows is God-like, but I'm surprised at just how much I like Speed River. Those two songs are my favorites on the album.

Quote:Frozen In My Tracks is where it all starts falling apart again. Perhaps it's because the last three songs were so good. The background vocals are WAY overdone to the point of being a distraction. Sounds like Motley Crue. I like the 6/8 time, though. I'm sure this song will sound amazing live. Take out the cheesy "Whoa-oh" and this is a much better song.

I was so wrong about this song. Sure, the whoahs are a little overwrought, but I guess they have their place. I'm still trying to figure out if it's in 6/8 or 3/4. The meter sounds like 6/8 to me. Oh well, either way it rocks.

Quote:"Love is a First" is the first release (but just try to hear in on the radio in the U.S.) and I think it's the weakest song on the second half. The lyrics are the weakest on the album - I think I had enough poppy love songs on World Container. I like how they tried to incorporate a Downie Rant into a studio recording, and it isn't as horrible as you may think. In the end, though, it comes off as some kind of power pop song. It should have been done on World Container, where it would have been one of the best songs on the album. It doesn't fit here.

I was even more wrong about this song. Sure, it's not my favorite on the album, but it most certainly belongs here. It's not a poppy love song, either. I love the lyrics in the closing rant - "I drank the poison from the source and smoked that murder, fell on the floor and watched the near-death of your TV, and dreamed its darkly nurtured dreams." How f'n cool is that?

Quote:Country Day is a great song let down by Rock's overproduction. It's a nice return to the softer songs of the first half and nicely brings the album to an end by tying the two halves together. Not to sound like a broken record, but there are too many strings. This would work so well as a stripped down - dare I say country-like - song.

The production's not the problem as much as it's just a little too long. Chop off about 30 seconds and it's a better song.

Quote:It's like a good glass of wine that was watered down just enough so that you can still taste it, but some of the flavors got lost.

I can taste it now. It just takes a little longer to find the flavors.
Only Gord could make "Not now" into onomatopoeia.
rob68 Wrote:
Escape@Hand Wrote:On a completely unrelated note, I'm listening to Country Day right now, and I'm noticing some distortion at the end of the song when the backing vocals are singing "Country Day". Anyone else notice that?

The CD is mastered too loudly. It's a shame. Just a little bit quieter and you'd hear so much more detail...

Same thing happened on Yer Not The Ocean, around the 3:00 minute mark.
fingernailsonhull Wrote:Only Gord could make "Not now" into onomatopoeia.


amazing :thumb:
Has anybody else noticed (put on the headphones and you'll here it) some extreme banjo dueling in the latter half of country day when it gets uber grand? :music
when did the hip become a country band? did i miss a memo.

this album is the 2nd worst thing they have ever done, in my opinion... the worst being IVL.

i will still go to the tour (if they actually play in NB) but i just don't get this album at all.