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Okay so I did a search and couldn't find this but I'm sure someone else has noticed and all but what's with the track ordering under the discography tab at thehip.com??? Again don't blast me for not searching if this has already come up...I tried to but didn't find anything.

BLAST :lol:

ok, so ididn't read any of this thread....cuz as we all know...my opinion's the one that counts ...


You're not the ocean:

great opening track...it reminds me of mm@w...similar vibe...great sing-a-long song...love the lyrics...methinks there's a global warming metaphor tied in there...

At The Lonely End Of The Rink:

DAAAAAAAAAAAMN! fav song so far...it rocks, plain and simple (not that the song is plain and simple), dare i say their best "hovkey-song" yet? i love how it's hard rockin' and clean cut at once, and i also love that Killers'ish (pardon me, i'm just at a loss for a better term) thump as Gord sings "oh to join the rush"...it's maaaaaaaaaarvellous...and i swear this song is somehow connected to At The Heart Of The Melt...as both speak of stickhandling (dekes)...they're just from opposite perspectives i think....proof: "there's me then there's you" "at the lonely end of the rink, you and me"...think about it...its there.

In View: gorgeous song, reminds me of of one of my all time favs, the darkest one...in it's dreamily romantic lyrical nature and equally so accompanying soundtrack...especially relevant to me personally in light of my current situation and what's been going on in my life recently...ya it's perfect, well it isn't and it is .

also, i find it to be Springsteenish with the keyboards...

Fly: hasn't grown on me entirely yet...but
INOIB still hasn't either lol! i like this song, just not to the extent that i like the others so far...with it's catchy chorus though, it'll change my mind soon enough i'd wager...i'm in love with the Freddie Mercury, and Ontari-ari-o lines.

luv(sic):

making fun of all those (sic) nu-metal mall-core kids perhaps? who gives a rat's ASS!?!?!?!? LOL! this is a great mid-tempo rocker...it's almost as if it were the bastard child of giftshop and you're everywhere...with membership stepping in to babysit every now and then...the guitar work on this reminds me of The Edge at certain moments...not a bad thing at all

The Kids Don't Get It:

they don't have to either...just rock-along little kiddies! certainly the smuggest, ruggedest, rawest moment on the album...it's got a really live bar-band-jam vibe, and attitidue to spare...this one should be a revelation live! lyrically and vocally enthralling...i'll soon have to test my theory that this is an excellent drinking song ...isn't it great when Go®d get's all fired up like this (also see: The Drop Off)? lol

Pretend: really, the only all out tender moment on the album, and it seems all the more brilliant following Kids...gentle yet firm and assertive...quite charming too. no denying that it's connected to Kids...so it's true...opposites do attract hehe.

Last Night I dreamed You Didn't Love Me:

probably the most well balanced of the lot...i hear flashes of Vapour Trails, Stay, The Completists, and One Night In Copenhagen...that's a mixed lot to say the least...those must've been tastey fingers...mmmmmmmmm hipalicious.

THE DROP OFF:

do i have to say anything? RAWK! \M/! deja vu baby...the hip do a wonderful time warp here...i love the vocal solo. down'n'dirty hip at its finest...encore material for sure.

Family Band:

simple riffery can go a long way, especially when it falls into a lovely groove such as the one on display here. truly wicked indeed...kinda reminds me of a happier more upbeat Queens Of The Stone Age at times...probably because it's a great no-nonsense rock & roll song...the kick drum loaded part is brilliant...my only complaint is that it's not the last song on the album...but the hip never seem to e nd albums with a rocker so i guess it's a non-issue...just a thought.

World Container:

am i the only one who thinks this is a shot a dubya? i won't dwell on that aspect, because this is the title track...another semi-springsteen outburst here...a very poignant and powerful song, and even though i think Family Band would be betteras the closer, this still wroks very well...i'm not so sure it'll be the best live...only time will tell i suppose.

9/10...gotta leave room for improvement .

it sounds like a hybrid of it's three predecessors...perfectly melded together. Bob Rock did a fantastic job, and the artwork is quite possibly my favourite to date (not the cover, but the booklet, my favourite cover will always be FC or IVL).

yet another instant classic from our boys...not that it comes as a shock, it's just nice to know that there's somethings you can always count on...

now, how's that new Smashing Pumpkins album coming? lol, i'm just dying to ejaculate all over it...ok, i've said too much :oops: .

After a little more time to absorb the new record, I've come to these selfish thoughts:


--I think I prefer the song "WC" to be played like it was on THE HOUR. I like the stripped down version better.
--The vocal mix on the album is a little annoying to me. Gord's vocal performance is superb but the mixing or whatever kind of bugs me at certain times. It's like a piercing sound at times that irritates me like nails on a chalkboard. An example is near the end of "Yer Not the Ocean" when Gord sings "up to my chin" and the 'ch' sound in chin is just too harsh on the ears.
--I hope The Hip NEVER work with Bob Rock again. I know what they sound like with him. They've been there, done that. I don't want to hear a Bob Rock influenced record from them again. Time to move on.
--I think it is a bad omen if the Hip really needed Bob Rock as much as they are saying. Hopefully they should be able to come up with musical ideas on their own and not lean so much on the producer. I mean, they self produced TATH and it sounded great.
--I still like WC but am agreeing with KWT more and more over time(to a certain extent). I think the songs are terrific but a few of them are marred by being too bombastic and overblown.
--I find the acoustic guitar annoying on the album, especially on "In View".It's too loud. The acoustic guitar, if I had a preference, should be buried in the mix a little more.

Rob answered my question in the chat so all's good!

i wouldn't mind another Bob Rock produced album, i'd like to see them take it in a heavier direction though if they were to do so (Kids, Drop Off, Rink ect.)...

tigerthelion Wrote:After a little more time to absorb the new record, I've come to these selfish thoughts:


--I think I prefer the song "WC" to be played like it was on THE HOUR. I like the stripped down version better.
--The vocal mix on the album is a little annoying to me. Gord's vocal performance is superb but the mixing or whatever kind of bugs me at certain times. It's like a piercing sound at times that irritates me like nails on a chalkboard. An example is near the end of "Yer Not the Ocean" when Gord sings "up to my chin" and the 'ch' sound in chin is just too harsh on the ears.
--I hope The Hip NEVER work with Bob Rock again. I know what they sound like with him. They've been there, done that. I don't want to hear a Bob Rock influenced record from them again. Time to move on.
--I think it is a bad omen if the Hip really needed Bob Rock as much as they are saying. Hopefully they should be able to come up with musical ideas on their own and not lean so much on the producer. I mean, they self produced TATH and it sounded great.
--I still like WC but am agreeing with KWT more and more over time(to a certain extent). I think the songs are terrific but a few of them are marred by being too bombastic and overblown.
--I find the acoustic guitar annoying on the album, especially on "In View".It's too loud. The acoustic guitar, if I had a preference, should be buried in the mix a little more.

Rob answered my question in the chat so all's good!

Well, i can see WHERE your opinion comes from and I respect it...but...one of the great things about the HIP is the variety of music, sounds and more importantly FEEL you get from them. Everyone here is a hard core fan yet we all have different 'favs' and we all different things on each CD. Maybe this CD will grow on you in time. For others it is instant classic. Henhouse took me over a year to 'get' so to speak. IVL took a long time as well and is currently my favorite CD. At this point in their career, you are not really going to get a raw sound anymore, it has been refined Bob Rock or not. Personally i love the sound of the CD - but to each his own.

Pudge7681 Wrote:Okay so I did a search and couldn't find this but I'm sure someone else has noticed and all but what's with the track ordering under the discography tab at thehip.com??? Again don't blast me for not searching if this has already come up...I tried to but didn't find anything.

It will be fixed shortly. Sorry.

ewallman Wrote:

tigerthelion Wrote:After a little more time to absorb the new record, I've come to these selfish thoughts:


--I think I prefer the song "WC" to be played like it was on THE HOUR. I like the stripped down version better.
--The vocal mix on the album is a little annoying to me. Gord's vocal performance is superb but the mixing or whatever kind of bugs me at certain times. It's like a piercing sound at times that irritates me like nails on a chalkboard. An example is near the end of "Yer Not the Ocean" when Gord sings "up to my chin" and the 'ch' sound in chin is just too harsh on the ears.
--I hope The Hip NEVER work with Bob Rock again. I know what they sound like with him. They've been there, done that. I don't want to hear a Bob Rock influenced record from them again. Time to move on.
--I think it is a bad omen if the Hip really needed Bob Rock as much as they are saying. Hopefully they should be able to come up with musical ideas on their own and not lean so much on the producer. I mean, they self produced TATH and it sounded great.
--I still like WC but am agreeing with KWT more and more over time(to a certain extent). I think the songs are terrific but a few of them are marred by being too bombastic and overblown.
--I find the acoustic guitar annoying on the album, especially on "In View".It's too loud. The acoustic guitar, if I had a preference, should be buried in the mix a little more.

Rob answered my question in the chat so all's good!

Well, i can see WHERE your opinion comes from and I respect it...but...one of the great things about the HIP is the variety of music, sounds and more importantly FEEL you get from them. Everyone here is a hard core fan yet we all have different 'favs' and we all different things on each CD. Maybe this CD will grow on you in time. For others it is instant classic. Henhouse took me over a year to 'get' so to speak. IVL took a long time as well and is currently my favorite CD. At this point in their career, you are not really going to get a raw sound anymore, it has been refined Bob Rock or not. Personally i love the sound of the CD - but to each his own.

Cool, man. Truth be told, I was one of the people on here who were praising the album to the highest when I first heard it. I was floored by it. After two weeks or so of listening, I still very much like the album and appreciate the direction the band is heading. This album struck me more than any other Hip album. However, I started listening more and more and thinking about it more and more. Maybe I am just trying too hard to find something wrong with the new album or whatever, but it's kind of wearing me out. I usually like Hip albums MORE as time passes. I'm not sure this will be the case with WC. I put in IBE the other day after not listening to it for a while and it struck me that I enjoy that album today more than ever.

Don't get me wrong, WC is still a very solid effort and I like some of the ideas Mr Rock presumably gave the boys. It should sound great live. "The Kids Don't Get It" is right up there for me as a classic Hip gem.

After hundreds of listens, my ONLY complaint about World Container is that it came out too late to be included on Hipeponymous.

CB

Ok, so here's my two cents (American) worth of analysis about WC. Count me in the half full/half empty category. There are absolute kick ass rockers (Ocean, Family Band, Rink, Kids) that I can listen to for hours and hours on end but a couple that are just there for me. I count Luv(sic) in that category. Drop Off is a good rocking tune, but I find the rant part of it mixed a bit too loud and jarring. I think it will be a great live staple but on the record it's just jarring. I feel that Pretend is just simply pretendious and cheesy. The lyrics are trite and repetitious. I know Gord is trying to move to a more "simple lyric, heartfelt meaning" frame of mind, but he is so much better when he comes up with ballad gems like Bobcaygeon and Lake Fever. This is the clear disappointment for me in the record. I havent' had the pleasure of listening to In View in a live setting, but i think it will be much better live than on the record. The title track is simply overblown; great lyrics but the orchestral sound effects are a bit too much. I agree with Tiger that they should move on past Bob Rock and maybe self produce their next album.

from today's The Record (kit-wat-camb daily):

A return to The (relevant) Tragically Hip

THE TRAGICALLY HIP


(Oct 26, 2006)

THE TRAGICALLY HIP -- World ContainerTM (UNIVERSAL)

Maybe they felt their ass getting kicked by the next generation of CanRockers. Maybe they took a long hard look at their lacklustre recent work after issuing last year's box set and hits compilation.

Maybe producer Bob Rock hooked them up with Metallica's therapist and opened new doors of communication.

Who knows? Who cares? The short of it is that World ContainerTM sounds like The Tragically Hip are willing to put up a fight and resist the irrelevance that's been nipping at their heels for most of this decade. There were some definite steps out of their slump on 2004's In Between Evolution, but now they've gone back to the drawing board.

Gord Downie is no longer relying on guitar riffs to conjure his melodies for him, and ends up writing some of his poppiest melodies ever, especially the toy-piano-driven single In View. Guitarists Bobby Baker and Paul Langlois have finally realized that The Hip have long ceased to be a decent jam band, and have quit noodling themselves into the netherworld; here they sound tight and focused and exploring different textures to their playing. Bob Rock's production errs on the side of stadium-size drum sounds, yet he also leaves enough sonic space for every guitar track to ring out loud and clear. Downie's vocal performances sound like he's hungry again -- or maybe he's overwhelmed by the oceanic setting of Rock's Hawaii studio, as aquatic themes dominate several songs here.

Fortunately, the album is front-loaded with future hits, like the surprising The Lonely End of the Rink, with its reggae-tinged verses adding an extra twist to standard rock chorus. (Maybe they took notes on how to pull off this tricky feat with subtlety when the Joel Plaskett Experience opened their last tour).

World ContainerTM dips considerably in the second half, especially when Downie sounds like a grumpy grandpa shooing the whippersnappers off his lawn on The Kids Don't Get It. But he's rescued by the rousing Family Band, a shout-out to struggling young bands on their first tour ("what's gripping the city ain't hitting the town") set to an anthemic avalanche of guitars that may well have been borrowed from Broken Social Scene. If this country's recent rock success stories threatened to unleash a classic Canadian cultural amnesia, one of our finest bands has finally returned to remind us why we love them -- fully, completely.

Michael Barclay

Good review, but I don't understand how he says the latter half of hte disk stumbles. The Kids Don't Get it is one of the best hip songs in a while, as is Family Band and Drop Off.

googolplex Wrote:Good review, but I don't understand how he says the latter half of hte disk stumbles. The Kids Don't Get it is one of the best hip songs in a while, as is Family Band and Drop Off.

Agreed. Personally I think the second half is the best part of the album.

There is no doubt that the second half is the best.

Although having spent the past week listening to boots of World Container songs played live im in the new frame of mind that this may actually be the 4th best album they have made.

Up To Here
Fully Completely
Road Apples
World Container
Day for Night
Phantom Power
Trouble at the Henhouse
In Between Evolution
In Violet Light
Music at Work.


this is my new ranking....I stand by it.....

any review that isn't totally sucking this album's cock is fucking blasphemous!