longseason Wrote:tigerthelion Wrote:I have an independent mind and am not brainwashed by the cable news stations. I strongly dislike "Coconut Cream" and honestly believe that you (longseason) spent WAY more time thinking about the song than Gord Downie ever did...
I can't recall suggesting that those who don't like 'Coconut Cream' weren't independent thinkers.
Music is a subjective thing — I realize that. It's unfortunate that you don't like 'Coconut Cream' — but without providing reasons as to why, it's pretty easy to dismiss my reading. If there’s danger in the language, tigerthelion, I suggest no further use of the titanic terrarium.
Certainly you can do better than: "I can't be bothered to contribute in any real way to the reading, so I'll simply dismiss another reading out of hand by claiming that the it is trying to hard."
I might be guilty of overreaching — but at least I've tried. Same can't be said of you.
You’ll be serving the song when you find out the reason you refuse to change your opinion.
Well, since music is subjective, I thought I was well within my rights to dislike a certain song. I didn't know that I needed to publish a book on my reasons for it. :? Nevertheless, I'll oblige.
There are several reasons why I strongly dislike the song. Firstly, hearing about Christians sitting in a circle and jerking irritates me, regardless of whether it is literal or is a metaphor or is just crazy rambling. The song reeks of lazy songwriting to me and I see no thought put into the songwriting. Secondly, the guitar riff is too repetitive, and I don't care for the riff in the first place. Thirdly, I hear no real melody in the song. In short, EVERYTHING about the song bothers me. I get the feeling that the guys are just goofing off in the studio with this one. It sounds like a song that some early teens would perform in their basement as some sort of joke.
Is that what's at issue here?
I didn't label tigerthelion's musical tastes as 'unfortunate' — I merely referred to his dislike of 'Coconut Cream' as unfortunate — in light of the fact that offered a smug remark that I was wasting time chasing herrings. Fair enough:
Quote:I strongly dislike "Coconut Cream" and honestly believe that you (longseason) spent WAY more time thinking about the song than Gord Downie ever did.
My reply, simply:
Quote:It's unfortunate that you don't like 'Coconut Cream' — but without providing reasons as to why, it's pretty easy to dismiss my reading.
So, I'm unsure as to what you took issue with — but, like I said earlier, I stand by what's written. There was no value judgment there — I simply wanted to engage somebody who took issue with what I had written. That's called discussion, correct?
Skippy, I don't fancy myself a book editor and writer — I am a book editor and writer.
I'm sorry if a few ill-conceived sentences have rankled your sensibilities, but you know — I don't admonish my firefighter friends for not knowing how to use a hose if they occasionally piss on my toilet seat.
I certainly wouldn't do it in a public forum. To somebody I didn't know.
Sorry to distract from all the bitch slapping.
I have been digging the new R.E.M. CD/DVD set. It occurred to me that they have offered two packages for the last four or five albums. Yet our beloved Tragically Hip have never offered anything other than a traditional CD.
In the digital age this decision is just stupid. It may be selfish but I want more and I'm willing to pay the extra ten bucks for it. I hope The Hip's marketing people or designers or whomever is in charge of this stuff get on the ball this time.
Bring back the HyperCD! Ah, there was a time when the hip were just starting to embrace this stuff.
Could you imagine watching Coconut Cream in HD! Blu-ray shots of the Blue Angels overhead as the song cuts out!
But in all seriousness, I would support any new media offerings the hip were to embrace.
NegPhil Wrote:Sorry to distract from all the bitch slapping.
I have been digging the new R.E.M. CD/DVD set. It occurred to me that they have offered two packages for the last four or five albums. Yet our beloved Tragically Hip have never offered anything other than a traditional CD.
In the digital age this decision is just stupid. It may be selfish but I want more and I'm willing to pay the extra ten bucks for it. I hope The Hip's marketing people or designers or whomever is in charge of this stuff get on the ball this time.
I understand your point, but in my opinion I think special edition cd's and cd's with extras are a waste of money.. to me they just seem like a cash grab that are rarely worth it. Especially when the "special edition" comes out months later like a few of Neil Young's latest cd's have.. the so called father of never selling out...
Yeah, that is totally lame when the record company milks the audience. I am speaking about additional material that the fans would enjoy but the market at large may not appreciate.
For an example my ACCELERATE is 13 tracks. The average Joe would probable not give a rats ass about the B-sides and just think "who the hell is Beat Happening and why are REm covering such a crappy song?" And that's cool. It wasn't meant for them. It was meant for me. The Hip could show us so much more. Give me some Teenage Head or Dylan with studio quality sound and I'll gladly pay for it.
emperor penguin Wrote:NegPhil Wrote:Sorry to distract from all the bitch slapping.
I have been digging the new R.E.M. CD/DVD set. It occurred to me that they have offered two packages for the last four or five albums. Yet our beloved Tragically Hip have never offered anything other than a traditional CD.
In the digital age this decision is just stupid. It may be selfish but I want more and I'm willing to pay the extra ten bucks for it. I hope The Hip's marketing people or designers or whomever is in charge of this stuff get on the ball this time.
I understand your point, but in my opinion I think special edition cd's and cd's with extras are a waste of money.. to me they just seem like a cash grab that are rarely worth it. Especially when the "special edition" comes out months later like a few of Neil Young's latest cd's have.. the so called father of never selling out...
So Hipeponymous was a cash grab?
NegPhil Wrote:Yeah, that is totally lame when the record company milks the audience...
Where is the band in terms of their contract with the label? Are they obligated to do one or two more albums?
No way! That was a direct response to the fans request. That is exactly what I want more of.
The truth is the large amount of fan produced material keeps us happy. I would like more inside stuff from the band. For example, I would love to see what the recording sessions looks like. The process of the creation. Acoustic material. U2 had an excellent DVD for the deluxe "How To dismantle An Atomic Bomb".
What I'm saying is not providing it is a big mistake.
screw_ball Wrote:emperor penguin Wrote:NegPhil Wrote:Sorry to distract from all the bitch slapping.
I have been digging the new R.E.M. CD/DVD set. It occurred to me that they have offered two packages for the last four or five albums. Yet our beloved Tragically Hip have never offered anything other than a traditional CD.
In the digital age this decision is just stupid. It may be selfish but I want more and I'm willing to pay the extra ten bucks for it. I hope The Hip's marketing people or designers or whomever is in charge of this stuff get on the ball this time.
I understand your point, but in my opinion I think special edition cd's and cd's with extras are a waste of money.. to me they just seem like a cash grab that are rarely worth it. Especially when the "special edition" comes out months later like a few of Neil Young's latest cd's have.. the so called father of never selling out...
So Hipeponymous was a cash grab?
yeah I think so.. I'm pretty sure it was a contract obligation, I only bought it because it had 2 new songs on it, the DVD was pretty good too, but thats different than re-releasing a studio album with a couple of extra things on it.. If you're going to sell extras to fans make the thing you're selling completely unique, such as a b-sides album for example. I take exception when stuff fans already own are rehashed with a couple of extras tacked on. I don't want to buy something I already own just because there's a few new things added on.
emperor penguin Wrote:NegPhil Wrote:Sorry to distract from all the bitch slapping.
I have been digging the new R.E.M. CD/DVD set. It occurred to me that they have offered two packages for the last four or five albums. Yet our beloved Tragically Hip have never offered anything other than a traditional CD.
In the digital age this decision is just stupid. It may be selfish but I want more and I'm willing to pay the extra ten bucks for it. I hope The Hip's marketing people or designers or whomever is in charge of this stuff get on the ball this time.
I understand your point, but in my opinion I think special edition cd's and cd's with extras are a waste of money.. to me they just seem like a cash grab that are rarely worth it. Especially when the "special edition" comes out months later like a few of Neil Young's latest cd's have.. the so called father of never selling out...
I don't know what selling out actually means. Feist is supposed to be the hot new alternative to mainstream music, the supposedly ultra talented woman who gives music consumers a choice other than big time music label regulars. A big reason for Feist making a name for herself was selling her song to Apple so I guess that must rule her out of the "non sellout" category.
But, if giving your fans what they want IS NOT selling out, like NegPhil alluded to, then Neil is no more of a sellout than The Hip. Fans have been clamouring for archived footage of Neil's for years and years and the vault has just recently been opened. Everyone wants to make money. Feist fans can call her an underdog and a true musician through and through but in the end, she's got to make a living, like everyone else.
I understand what you're saying. I mean, there are some extreme cases of so called sellouts. KISS comes to mind as a band that was more business than musical.
Feist did sellout.
She sellouts venues every night.
laliber Wrote:NegPhil Wrote:Yeah, that is totally lame when the record company milks the audience...
Where is the band in terms of their contract with the label? Are they obligated to do one or two more albums?
Good question imo? I also am curious regarding the current contract (obligation of new cd's).
DC
Everybody works for money.
The idea of "selling out to the man" belongs to the myth of rock as counter culture, which itself is a marketing ploy, so....
emperor penguin Wrote:screw_ball Wrote:So Hipeponymous was a cash grab?
yeah I think so..
How can you consider Hipeponymous a cash grab? Ofcourse the Hip made money off of it but they make money off of everything they do! That's the point. They don't tour for the fun of it and to leave their families for months. They tour to promote their music and their latest album and to make money. They released Hipeponymous to promote their career and to make money (and because of a contractual obligation, if memery serves me right). They'll release another album to make money.
It's not a cash grab. It's not selling-out. It's the music industry. It's their jobs.