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grimes Wrote:I think he didn't go back and touch the plate because he hit his head on the ground pretty hard and was out of it. While the rest of the team was celebrating around him he was still down on the ground.

It's pretty clear he never got the plate, the ump really blew that one. I guess he just wanted to get the game over with...

I still can't figure that out.

When there's a play at the plate, the ump is supposed to immediately signal "safe" when he perceives that the runner has beaten the tag and has touched the plate.

But he didn't signal anything after the slide, which is consistent with the ruling protocol for an instance where the runner had not been tagged out BUT also had not yet touched the plate.

Then the ump gave a late, half-hearted "safe" signal, almost as if he just suddenly decided to give the Rockies a freebie when it was clear that Holliday wasn't going back for the plate.

Furthermore, Holliday's body language seemed to further suggest that he knew he did not get the plate and was resigned to being called out. I realize he smashed his grill on the dirt when he slid, but his reaction seemed to express more than just the pain of the impact; it looked like there was some despair of knowing he was going to be out.

Very shady indeed.....

The Horrible Esthete Wrote:...Very shady indeed.....

It was a shady call. Almost as if the umpire called safe just to end the long game. Oh well. Maybe it was just a makeup for the homerun earlier in the game that didn't count for the Rockies. There's no way a ball would bounce off the fence like that. :rambo:

tigerthelion Wrote:Maybe it was just a makeup for the homerun earlier in the game that didn't count for the Rockies. There's no way a ball would bounce off the fence like that. :rambo:

:lol: That's the exact reason why I didn't go to bed feeling like the Padres got royally shafted.

But it would really suck as a Pads fan to see a great 162-game campaign end like that.

Then again, they really only have Hoffman to blame! :?

So the Reds hired Dusty Baker as manager. I think the Reds made a good choice from the candidates available, although I wonder why they didnt just wait till after the playoffs were over and a wider pool of candidates was available. What are your thoughts on this, Ethete?

Report: Steinbrenner stepping down


New York, NY (Sports Network) - New York Yankees legendary owner George Steinbrenner is reportedly stepping down and will hand control of the team off to his sons, according to a report in the New York Post.

Members of the Yankees brass told the newspaper that Hank and Hal Steinbrenner will share leadership in an arrangement to be further ironed out in Tampa, Florida later this week.

"George has taken on a role like the chairman of a major corporation," Yankees president Randy Levine told the Post. "He's been saying for years he's wanted to get his sons involved in the family business. Both of them have stepped up and are taking on the day-to-day duties of what's required to run the Yankees."

Both brothers are expected to have final say on baseball decisions, the running of the YES Network and the construction of the new Yankee Stadium.

The brothers have already been heavily involved is George Steinbrenner's business dealings.

Hank, 50, runs the family's 850-acre Kinsman Stable, a horse farm for thoroughbreds in Ocala, Florida.

Hal, 38, oversees five hotels in Florida and one in Ohio and is in charge of various real-estate, transportation and marketing companies. He was also recently named chairman of the board of Yankee Global Enterprises.

Hank has already made one key baseball decision and will move rookie sensation Joba Chamberlain from the bullpen to the starting rotation in 2008. Chamberlain excelled in the Yankees' minor league system as a starter before being called up by the big club as a setup man for Mariano Rivera.

Larger decisions loom on the horizon for the new Yankees caretakers, most notably the future of manager Joe Torre.

It was thought that Torre managed his last game in a New York Yankees uniform when they were beaten by the Cleveland Indians, 6-4, in Game 4 of their American League Division Series.

It was the third straight year that the Yankees were unceremoniously dumped from the playoffs in the first round and the elder Steinbrenner had already put Torre on notice.

"His job is on the line," George Steinbrenner told the Bergen Record before Game 3 of the series. "I think we're paying him a lot of money. He's the highest-paid manager in baseball, so I don't think we'd take him back if we don't win this series."

Torre was in the final year of a contract worth over $7 million per year and has led the Yankees to four World Series titles and 12 consecutive playoff appearances.

Torre's 12 appearances in postseason play with the Yankees (1996-2007) are the most by any manager in American League history and he's won more postseason games than any skipper in major league history.

The 67-year-old mentor is 1,173-767 during the regular season in his tenure with the Yankees, winning the World Series four years in a five-season span (1996, 1998-2000).




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and the rockies are stiiiiiiiiiiiiillllllllll rollin'

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kleh Wrote:and the rockies are stiiiiiiiiiiiiillllllllll rollin'
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What an amazing shot that is. That would be a great place to watch a game.

And that run they are on! It's historic to be sure. I was talking to a friend who follows NL baseball closer than I do, and he was saying he thought both the Rockies and the D-backs were a year ahead of schedule to get to the playoffs, but they are both young talented teams who should be good for a long time. He told me to watch out for the NL West in general, because San Diego is still good, the Dodgers are improving and San Fran may finally start to build a team now that they are cutting ties with Bonds. That could be a strong division for years.

For now it's fun to watch the Rockies play, they do it all, get great and timely hitting, get enough pitching and play OUTSTANDING defense. As a neutral fan who wants to see good baseball I hope this long layoff doesn't hurt them too much, I want to see them continue to perform at their best because when they are do it is great to watch.

well put, truth be told i was actually rootin for the padres durin the tiebreaker! but the way it ended, the run they're on...how can ya not be a fan of that? besides the fact that most of the talent is home grown thru the system and not top dollar free agents

hopefully the long lay off doesnt hurt em too much, coors field does indeed look like a great place to catch a game, makes skydome look like uhh skydome

I see that Torre turned down a one year 5 million dollar offer. My guess is that he wants more money. He should just retire.

Do or die!

GO SOX!!!!!

LizardKing51 Wrote:Do or die!

GO SOX!!!!!

As a hardcore Indians fan, I must say: Josh Beckett is hands down the best pitcher in baseball. I hate Beckett. I hate Manny. I hate Ortiz. Why do they have to be so damn good? :x

tigerthelion Wrote:I see that Torre turned down a one year 5 million dollar offer. My guess is that he wants more money. He should just retire.

He didn't turn it down because of the money but because of the principle. The Yankees didn't want him to come back or else they wouldn't have offered him a pay cut and only a one year deal. The offer was set up for him to turn it down and he knew that. Torre's not an idiot.

emperor penguin Wrote:

tigerthelion Wrote:I see that Torre turned down a one year 5 million dollar offer. My guess is that he wants more money. He should just retire.

He didn't turn it down because of the money but because of the principle. The Yankees didn't want him to come back or else they wouldn't have offered him a pay cut and only a one year deal. The offer was set up for him to turn it down and he knew that. Torre's not an idiot.

He turned it down because of money. Torre has no honour. He's the only manager on the universe who would turn down a 5 mill/year + incentives contract and call it "insulting". Torre was overpaid at 7 million/year. Why shouldn't Torre be given a pay cut? His team hasn't done jacksquat in years and his team is stacked with high priced talent EVERY SEASON! With the way Torre has managed the past few seasons, he should feel lucky to be offered so much money.

What, were poor Torre's feelings hurt? Boo hoo. If he can sit back and accept all the praise thrown his way, maybe he should learn how to take a little criticism.

I could have managed the NY Yankees for ten years and would have won at least one ring! :rambo:

tigerthelion Wrote:

emperor penguin Wrote:

tigerthelion Wrote:I see that Torre turned down a one year 5 million dollar offer. My guess is that he wants more money. He should just retire.

He didn't turn it down because of the money but because of the principle. The Yankees didn't want him to come back or else they wouldn't have offered him a pay cut and only a one year deal. The offer was set up for him to turn it down and he knew that. Torre's not an idiot.

He turned it down because of money. Torre has no honour. He's the only manager on the universe who would turn down a 5 mill/year + incentives contract and call it "insulting". Torre was overpaid at 7 million/year. Why shouldn't Torre be given a pay cut? His team hasn't done jacksquat in years and his team is stacked with high priced talent EVERY SEASON! With the way Torre has managed the past few seasons, he should feel lucky to be offered so much money.

What, were poor Torre's feelings hurt? Boo hoo. If he can sit back and accept all the praise thrown his way, maybe he should learn how to take a little criticism.

I could have managed the NY Yankees for ten years and would have won at least one ring! :rambo:

for what he's done for that organization over the years, yeah.it was an insult..sometimes, you just don't get it do you

opiated Wrote:

tigerthelion Wrote:

emperor penguin Wrote:

tigerthelion Wrote:I see that Torre turned down a one year 5 million dollar offer. My guess is that he wants more money. He should just retire.

He didn't turn it down because of the money but because of the principle. The Yankees didn't want him to come back or else they wouldn't have offered him a pay cut and only a one year deal. The offer was set up for him to turn it down and he knew that. Torre's not an idiot.

He turned it down because of money. Torre has no honour. He's the only manager on the universe who would turn down a 5 mill/year + incentives contract and call it "insulting". Torre was overpaid at 7 million/year. Why shouldn't Torre be given a pay cut? His team hasn't done jacksquat in years and his team is stacked with high priced talent EVERY SEASON! With the way Torre has managed the past few seasons, he should feel lucky to be offered so much money.

What, were poor Torre's feelings hurt? Boo hoo. If he can sit back and accept all the praise thrown his way, maybe he should learn how to take a little criticism.

I could have managed the NY Yankees for ten years and would have won at least one ring! :rambo:

for what he's done for that organization over the years, yeah.it was an insult..sometimes, you just don't get it do you

I'd had to agree with opiated on this, Torre is one of the game's classiest gentlemen and I think the problem lies in the NY Yankee management/fan mindset of thinking they should win the WS every bleeping year. :roll: People might think an incentive-laden contract is a good thing, but that would mean Torre would have the financial incentive to overuse his pitchers in close games, which could harm the pitcher's career. Im a firm believer that luck plays a role in playoff matchups anyway, having all the best talent doesnt mean the outcome is foretold. I'd say the fact that Torre has won 4 WS rings with the Yankees (and his lousiest Yankee season was 87-74 in 2000 and they won the bleeping WS with that record!) says alot about his skill as a manager.