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MAverick Wrote:Hi Folks,
We are happy to announce the next show in thehip.com Presents Concert Series.
Thursday February 21, 2008
Brockville Arts Centre
Brockville, Ontario
Tickets onsale:
Friday February 1st at 10:00am (est)

Doors: 7:00pm
Show: 8:00pm
Tickets: $50.00 plus Service Charges
Reserved Seating
Limit two (2) tickets per order
All Ages Show

Tickets are only available to be purchased by Registered Users of thehip.com

Instructions: Registered Users who log onto <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.thehip.com">www.thehip.com</a><!-- w --> at 10:00am on Friday February 1st will see an icon on the right side of the homepage
with a password and link to purchase tickets.

Major credit cards are the only method of payment accepted.
Visit <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.thehip.com">www.thehip.com</a><!-- w --> for more information on the show and how to sign up to become a Registered User.

For more information on the venue visit <!-- w --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.brockvilleartscentre.com">www.brockvilleartscentre.com</a><!-- w -->
Please note, tickets for this show will NOT be available for purchase at the venue’s box office.

IMPORTANT INFORMATION:

No hard tickets will be sent out prior to the show dates.
All tickets are to be picked up, at 7:00pm on the evening of the performance, by the individual who purchased the tickets. All people in the purchasers party MUST be present at time of pick-up.
Once tickets are picked up, ticket holders must enter the venue.
No In/Outs.
Photo ID of purchaser and credit card used to make the purchase will be required to claim the tickets.
Tickets are non-transferable.
There will be no exceptions to the rules. The rules are instituted for you, the fans, so that tickets do not end up in the hands of ticket resellers.

This is the way to do it...well done! Only 761 seats and tickets were available for over 5 minutes, meaning almost everyone who wanted to attend this show, got tix.
colinjardine Wrote:If anyone needs any information on Brockville just go ahead and ask. I've lived here for 7 years now.

OK- I'll ask:

Any decent hotels/motels near by? I'll be coming from the 1,000 Island Bridge (RT 81), so if there's something between Brockville and the bridge, it'd be the best situation for me!
Thanks
FYI,
Hotels are limited in Brockville, the only decent hotel is closing on Feb 8th. The only other hotel with normal facilities, ie lounge, bar, restaurant etc is The Days Inn. Good price, $80 a night tax included.
Also for those now looking to kill the Friday night in between shows, The Conferation Place in Kingston is still available, great place, we are in at $150 per night.
Funny thing, six of us are going to Kingston, and I lucked out and I got three sets of tickets for Brockville today. I went through the process three times, Row A, Row E and Row S.
We are also taking the train from Toronto - Brockville - Kingston - Toronto.
Looking forward to this one.
Cheers.
Fair enough
The venue only holds 700 people... do you really think there is a bad seat?
patiodweller Wrote:Why were the balcony seats the same price as the floor seats? That seems not right. I got tickets but know people that couldn't get tickets. There were some glitches also. A better system is in the works which is good.

Yes, as I mentioned in my email, a system of some sort is in the works. I hope it is better

patiodweller Wrote:I realized that my work computer must not be
compatible with all the flash and cookie requirements, but I have no control over that at work and the computer network .. .

and nor do I, so this might not actually change for you in a new system.

patiodweller Wrote:that some people that got in after me were either not able to get tickets or got even better tickets.

The way TM tickets work, is that they hold each set for 2:15, so if you look at a set, change your mind to go back for a different set, the first set you looked at is still held for 2:15 until they get released back into the system. So it is possible for good seats to come up a few minutes later as many people doing this puts many seats on reservee before they are released.


patiodweller Wrote:So you see, the system only allows people with certain computers access.

I think this is more of an issue with your system admin and It department and your employer. Many corporate intranets ban sites altogether as well as certain functionality so that their employees will not say, spend their time surfing the web at work. This will not really change in the future either. If your corporate environment is set up to curtail certain browsing activities, then there is nothing I can do to change that, nor will the website change to address one or two corporate IT environments, though I do believe our system works in most.

patiodweller Wrote:And I do not understand why the band is so against people buying tickets that are available through sites like E-Bay. These are the most die hard fans. Many die hard HIP fan have used E-Bay for tickets. I realize the extra cost of the tickets through 3rd parties does not go to the band and the band therefore stands to lose money

It's not the band that loses money in this case at all. They have sold the tickets for the retail value already and are only expecting that amount. It's the fans that lose out and it creates a class system of fans, between those that have money and those that don't.

Ticket prices are expensive enough already, as we all know. I think it's great that the band does what it can to curtail these activities as much as possible so that the "real" fans can get access as easily as possible for a price as affordable as possible.

In this case, I mean those fans who have taken the time to check out the band, their web site, register and allow for communication between themselves and the band, as opposed to the "real fan" who has the money to drop several hundred dollars more than face value for a pair of tickets, who can pay for the privillege of seeing the band no matter what.

patiodweller Wrote:Lastly, the system implies an "ahead of the line" advantage for former HIP CLUB members and now "registered users" of hip.com but in actual fact since this is a free membership, most people at HIP concerts are "registered users" so there is no advantage in real terms.

The current system implies, those that are interested and take the time to register, get an advantage of having a second opportunity to purchase tickets and get added benefits (downloads, videos, registered user only shows). When there is a limited supply and a high demand, it is the added opportunity to actually get tickets and ability to see them in smaller venues like Brockville, that I personally feel, is the bonus.

At a show like the Kingston show, for example, where fans are competing with (Hockey) season ticket owners, and the local population as well as music lovers in general, having a "free" second , or first, opportunity (as the case may be) to get tickets is an added bonus. As there is no cost to it, it's a win win situation. There is no real downside. The fact that it is being compared to a system that charges fans, is I believe, like comparing apples and oranges.

they are totally different.

So I believe, personally, that what people really mean, is that they would like to see a "Paid Fan Club," with added benefits, as opposed to, or in addition to, the current "free" system, of registered users. Which I feel is very different than complaining about a free system.



patiodweller Wrote:A fan club system like Aerosmith or Bon Jovi and other bands who charge a reasonable yearly charge and then when tickets go on sale to the fan club members only, they simply log in through the fanclub site and do not have to deal with any Ticketmaster websites at all

Many fanclubs only sell tickets to a few venues, and only in limited numbers, so you might still be competeing for tickets and might still need a second opportunity to purchase tickets. . . . this is true even of pearl jam's club:

Pre-sale tickets are limited. Ten Club does not guarantee tickets for all eligible members regardless of seniority. Tickets are available to all eligible fan club members while supplies last.

I'm not saying these guys don't do it right, I think they probably have the best system around, but there are still limitations and you pay for it. I believe we are going in the right direction and are better than many and not as good as some, but there are limitations in any system. And at the present time, our system is free and provides many benefits and I'm cool with that.

Yes, it has limitations, of coure it does and we are trying to solve as many of them as we can, in a way that addresses the wants, desires and wishes of the fans and the band?
mats Wrote:FYI,
Hotels are limited in Brockville, the only decent hotel is closing on Feb 8th. The only other hotel with normal facilities, ie lounge, bar, restaurant etc is The Days Inn. Good price, $80 a night tax included.
Also for those now looking to kill the Friday night in between shows, The Conferation Place in Kingston is still available, great place, we are in at $150 per night.
Funny thing, six of us are going to Kingston, and I lucked out and I got three sets of tickets for Brockville today. I went through the process three times, Row A, Row E and Row S.
We are also taking the train from Toronto - Brockville - Kingston - Toronto.
Looking forward to this one.
Cheers.

Hey, I'm not really sure, technically, what you did, but, if you personally bought all three sets of tickets for Brockville, like it says above, then you are going to have real problems at the door. . . . I'm sorry to say, but this sounds like it is going to be an issue. I hope I am wrong.

To me, it sounds like you bought three pairs of tickets and are going with five other people, whereas the policy states quite clearly:

1. two tickets per order
2. all peolpe in purchases party must be present - IE. the person you are going with
3. Once tickets are picked up you enter the venue.
4. photo ID and credit card must be shown when picking up the tickets
5. no exceptions

If in fact, you bought these for your friends on their credit cards and they pick up their own tickets, then it will be fine. BUt if you bought all of the tickets, then unfortunatly, there are going to be issues.



IMPORTANT INFORMATION:

No hard tickets will be sent out prior to the show dates.

All tickets are to be picked up, at 7:00pm on the evening of the performance, by the individual who purchased the tickets. All people in the purchasers party MUST be present at time of pick-up.

Once tickets are picked up, ticket holders must enter the venue.

No In/Outs.

Photo ID of purchaser and credit card used to make the purchase will be required to claim the tickets.

Tickets are non-transferable.

There will be no exceptions to the rules. The rules are instituted for you, the fans, so that tickets do not end up in the hands of ticket resellers.
Hey Mav,
Thanks for looking out.
It says two per order. I made three orders of two.
All six of us will be there to pick up the tickets and go right in.
Infact I used one credit card for two orders and one for the other, but still I don't think it should matter because it did infact say two per order.
I think i am OK if I understand it right.
Any suggestions how I can confirm this?
Thank you kindly,
Mats.
Mats, here is part of the E-mail from ticketmaster confirming my ticket order...

Quote:Please adhere to published ticket limits. Persons who exceed the ticket limit may have any or all of their orders and tickets cancelled without notice by Ticketmaster in its discretion. This includes orders associated with the same name, e-mail address, billing address, credit card number or other information.

If you used the same credit card, then it will show all of this information here twice, and if your other credit card shows the same information, then it will be down 3-times...

So, it might be possible that they ignore the fact that you blatantly ignored the 2-tickets rule... Or they may come down on you and revoke 2-6 of these tickets...
patiodweller Wrote:Why were the balcony seats the same price as the floor seats? That seems not right.

There is not a bad seat. I saw Blue Rodeo a few years ago from mid-balcony, and you're better off there than anything mid-orchestra. The balcony starts roughly at the 2/3 point of the orchestra if I recall, and it's really steep. I'd guess it's less than 125-150 feet from the stage...if even that. They were great seats. I got orchestra seats, but if I was anything more than 10 rows back on the floor my plan was hope for balcony.
Thanks Hammer,
What I find interesting is that this ticketmaster disclaimer should have been issued along with the show disclaimers.
In other words they said 2 tickets per order, not 2 tickets per person.
Very different.
The other thing is, it's not as if we get the hard tickets a month in advance and then have the chance to scalp them. They ask that you physically show up, pick up the tickets and go right in. How can there be a scalping issue with that policy? I simply had the means to buy 3 separate orders of two for the people that I am "going right in" with.
Again, 2 per order is a hell of a lot different than no more than two per person, especially if it is not clear from ticketmaster prior to purchasing.
I will be taking this up with ticketmaster.
Whatever, I'm not worried, 55 wonderful Hip shows later and it always works out.
Cheers.
mats Wrote:Hey Mav,
Thanks for looking out.
It says two per order. I made three orders of two.
All six of us will be there to pick up the tickets and go right in.
Infact I used one credit card for two orders and one for the other, but still I don't think it should matter because it did infact say two per order.
I think i am OK if I understand it right.
Any suggestions how I can confirm this?
Thank you kindly,
Mats.

As I said, I think you are going to have some serious issues.

While it does say two per order, you can't read that line and ignore the other portions. Basically, you're taking that one line out of context and removing the logic of the entire ticket policy, which you can't do.

By that I mean, the credit card holder must pick up the tickets, with ID and the CC used to purchase the tickets, and have all people in the party present. If the "party" is two people for a set of tickets and you purchased three sets, even on two different credit cards, you can't be "present" to pick up the second or third sets, as you will be in the venue with your first set. - [Once tickets are picked up, ticket holders must enter the venue.]

It's not like you'll be able to say wait, I have two more sets of tickets to pick up for the four 'friends' of mine behind me. . .

If this senario was the case, then technically, you would be able to resell the other sets of tickets, by meeting the buyers before the show and then picking up the tickets and handing them over as you walk in. . . which I think we all know, is not the intended ticket policy.

Actually, I think this is a clear violation of the ticket policy. well, that's my take, even though it seems to be unintended. I think the spirit of the policy is quite clear. That there is a two ticket limit.

TM, as far as I understand, will be running a report based on credit card numbers and names and looking for duplicates. Once they find a duplicate - and they will find your duplicate cc number on monday, I'm not sure what happens. You might lose your tickets and be credited back the amount. . . regardless of the intention.

If I was you, I would be sending me an email to tth(AT)thehipDOTcom with as many details as you can, so that I can a) have it on record for monday morning b) send it to the people who really decide these things.

Basically, my opinion is, that as it stands, you might loose all or four of your tickets. Without any documentation inmy hands to forward on, it will probably happen automatically and you will be the only person to be notified and we will have six more tickets to put on sale for somebody else and they will shit themselves at how lucky they are that front row tickets became available the day or week before the show etc.

Anyway, that's my $.02.

Mav.
mats Wrote:55 wonderful Hip shows later and it always works out.
Cheers.

Damn, I know there are people who seen even more than that, but color me jealous lol.
First of all - I LOVE you Mav and I LOVE you Hammer. You know, in a"hey you guys are freakin' awesome" kind of way.

First of all I am a good guy but yes a bit of an idiot, so thanks for saving me.

Short story long - I called TM and told them my ignorant story, they laughed and told me I was semi-screwed. Since I ordered 2 sets with the same credit card I had to cancel Row S thus keeping Row A. It turns out that the other credit card was a joint business card with my brother, who is also going to the show and was listed as a different address and we were allowed to keep Row C. OK, but kinda shitty since we now had 4 tickets instead of 6. Fair enough.

Now check this out, don't hate me people that did not get seats, I phoned one of the other guys who is going and told him our problem. As I was talking to him I was messing around on TM and hit "find tickets for Brockville", ready...BOOM Row C! No freakin' kidding! I said to my friend, give me your credit card number and done, booked. He was not available earlier in the day to book tickets.

So thanks to you wonderful guys for pointing out my ignorant ways.

We now have Row A, Row C and Row E. All good to go.

I normally keep myself pretty low-key at the shows but if either one of you would like to PM me with your info., I would gladly like to treat you to something.

Thanks again to you and to the wondeful world of The Hipbase.

Cheers,
Mats.
Disclaimer: (2 tickets per Order\Party\Purchase & 1 Order per Party\Purchase).Or something like that...
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