[Stephen Dame]

Any re-ocurring themes or references that folks can spot? I'll start with the one that first comes to mind:

A locked museum.

-Wheat Kings
-We'll Go Too

[clarke]

sorry thats actually not what a leitmotif is...but the topic is still interesting....also locked or closed museum in scared

[Stephen Dame]

sorry thats actually not what a leitmotif is...but the topic is still interesting....also locked or closed museum in scared

It's actually exactly what a leitmotif is: as the term is uniquely felxible as a literary device.

It's common usage refers to the re-appearance of a certain person, place or idea, one meant to link certain events in a song or play via allusion. It can also simply be a re-occuring theme. (And now that I think of it actually: they both fit in this case.)

But thanks for the input.

Here's another one as pointed out back when IBE was released:

San Fransisco's Crookedest Street.
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-Mean Streak
-Are we Family

[grooveless touque]

Well as for the locked museum ... the concept is also made reference to in Work That Hard, which predates both of those songs! It's one of my favourite images; I'm happy that even if WTH didn't get released, the lines resurfaced further on down the road.

It's always perplexed me how Gord makes reference to "Superfarmer" TWICE on Phantom Power. It's a very strange idea, I have no idea to what it refers, and stranger still that he should use it twice on one record in different songs.

[The Darkest Canuck]

i couldn't not post this album in this thread...


Dredg-Leimotif

even if you just download it, check this album out and if you like what you hear check out "el cielo" as well (for fans of pink floyd, radiohead, faith no more, tool and the like).

[Stephen Dame]

Well as for the locked museum ... the concept is also made reference to in Work That Hard, which predates both of those songs! It's one of my favourite images; I'm happy that even if WTH didn't get released, the lines resurfaced further on down the road.

It's always perplexed me how Gord makes reference to "Superfarmer" TWICE on Phantom Power. It's a very strange idea, I have no idea to what it refers, and stranger still that he should use it twice on one record in different songs.

Good Call. I'd forgotten about the Work So Hard reference.

I always believed "Superfarmer" refered to Bio-Tech or chemically aided growing techniques which are great for producing mass quantities but may have yet unseen consequences down the road. Hence "The Moralists" wanting to get at him...

However, there is also a popular German co-op operation with the brand name "SuperFarmer" where the famers cut-out the middle man and grow, distribute and sell their goods all on their own.

[The Darkest Canuck]

I always believed "Superfarmer" refered to Bio-Tech or chemically aided growing techniques which are great for producing mass quantities but may have yet unseen consequences down the road. Hence "The Moralists" wanting to get at him...

However, there is also a popular German co-op operation with the brand name "SuperFarmer" where the famers cut-out the middle man and grow, distribute and sell their goods all on their own.

i think the German co-op makes more sense, because i think Poets is about gettin' paid, and in saying so i must also say that even the riff sounds "money" (if that makes any sense): "when you find out how he gets paid", "when you find out it's the writers who get laid" "lawn cut by bare-breasted women" "make it by swimmin'"...perhaps swimming in a sea of money?

[Stephen Dame]

I always believed "Superfarmer" refered to Bio-Tech or chemically aided growing techniques which are great for producing mass quantities but may have yet unseen consequences down the road. Hence "The Moralists" wanting to get at him...

However, there is also a popular German co-op operation with the brand name "SuperFarmer" where the famers cut-out the middle man and grow, distribute and sell their goods all on their own.

i think the German co-op makes more sense, because i think Poets is about gettin' paid, and in saying so i must also say that even the riff sounds "money" (if that makes any sense): "when you find out how he gets paid", "when you find out it's the writers who get laid" "lawn cut by bare-breasted women" "make it by swimmin'"...perhaps swimming in a sea of money?

Could be, but I think the SuperFarmer in Poets is more of an ironic reference since he's seeking "reprieve" in the very spot that's putting him out of business.

One of my colleagues has the "It's the writers who get laid!" improv/lyric as his "Welcome" sound at his computer at the office. We still get a kick out of it...

[The Darkest Canuck]

poets is a great song for a good rant

[lord brazle]

I Just went through all the lyrics *deep breath* Here we go...

The Almighty CORPSE (or Death in general)

"Coffin cheaters dance on their graves" - Little Bones
"Dead to rights and wide awake" - Long Time Running
"I can't forsake a dixie dead-shake" - NOIS
"Playin' dead to fuck the undertaker" - On The Verge
"Are they dead or worse, alive?" - Pascal's Submarine
"Yeah, I'm making a stand on a dead man's hand" - Scathed
"woke up in the dead of spring" - The Bear
"we're down to the dead houseplants" - Thompson Girl
"where the high school is dead and stark" - Wheat Kings
"And he's shifting like shifting like he was dead" - When The Weight Comes Down
"Tickled to death by their importance" - Scared
Inevitability of Death
""You'd better be dying" and you were" - A Beautiful Thing
"everyday I'm dumping the body" - Locked In The Trunk Of A Car
"Richard died real slow" - The Wherewithal
"Old lion's dying" - Trickle Down
"Oh ma he's dying" - Another Midnight
"I want to grow old and die there" - All Canadian Surf Club
"If I die of vanity" - At The Hundredth Meridian
"Die in your dreams" - Cordelia
Escape Is At Hand For The Travellin' Man
"Because a coward won't die alone" - Montreal
"we said we must be friends or die and we've died a thousand times since then" - Sherpa
"Can't live to die too easy" - Small Town Bringdown
"to a nest in the hole of this dead tree" - As I Wind Down The Pines
"See the dead art and you see your reflection" - Let's Stay Engaged
"Drove a Plymouth Shallow Grave" - Everytime You Go
"Placing flowers on his grave" - Three Pistols

[clarke]

sorry thats actually not what a leitmotif is...but the topic is still interesting....also locked or closed museum in scared

It's actually exactly what a leitmotif is: as the term is uniquely felxible as a literary device.

It's common usage refers to the re-appearance of a certain person, place or idea, one meant to link certain events in a song or play via allusion. It can also simply be a re-occuring theme. (And now that I think of it actually: they both fit in this case.)

But thanks for the input.

Here's another one as pointed out back when IBE was released:

San Fransisco's Crookedest Street.
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.sftravel.com/lomabardcrookedstreet.html">http://www.sftravel.com/lomabardcrookedstreet.html</a><!-- m -->

-Mean Streak
-Are we Family

sorry i meant a leitmotif in musical terms...thats a little melody that represents a certain theme or character, used predominantly by Wagner

[grooveless touque]

One of my colleagues has the "It's the writers who get laid!" improv/lyric as his "Welcome" sound at his computer at the office. We still get a kick out of it...

Ooh! How do you do that? Didn't know you could alter the startup sound...I'd love to change it to ANYTHING else...I usually mute my speakers because I find that loud crescendo of sound annoying.

I agree with the opinion that Superfarmer refers to the genetic modifications of the corporations, because that works in conjunction with the line about being bent on the cover of Time. These organisations are so high and mighty, proclaiming they're saving humanity with their unnatural workings, so I figured that hypemongering and publicity seeking trait would fit them well.

[The Darkest Canuck]

either way, ths song is about the fund$


trust me...

[Stephen Dame]

One of my colleagues has the "It's the writers who get laid!" improv/lyric as his "Welcome" sound at his computer at the office. We still get a kick out of it...

Ooh! How do you do that? Didn't know you could alter the startup sound...I'd love to change it to ANYTHING else...I usually mute my speakers because I find that loud crescendo of sound annoying.

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Well, someone more computer literate than I can probably help, but I think all you do is go to Control Panel, go to Sounds and Devices and then browse your computer for the appropriate .wav or mp3.

[grooveless touque]

Cool... I've set it up so that Gord's "EEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAT MEEEEEEEE!" from the cookie factory rant is now my opening sound. I wish I could reboot right now but I've got torrents downloading!

Thanks for the tip!