[second_sight_kyle]

I like Hanson, anyone care to discuss?

[Audra]

I like Hanson, anyone care to discuss?

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM BOP!

[Daryl24]

i just threw up a little





ps. hey did someone just bash steven mctowlie?

[second_sight_kyle]

I'm really sorry in bringing this thread back to life...but I think train overnight is under-rated.

[The Horrible Esthete]

"Rate" may also mean to scold (root of berate), although this is obsolete, while rank may also mean foul, putrid or rancid. For example, "Skippy rated Esthete over his rank and worthless argument."

Ouch.

A song could be said to be "overrated" if, in your subjective opinion, the song receives much more praise and attention than it merits. Conversely, it is "underrated" if it merits far more praise and attention than it receives, again in your subjective opinion. Lacking any scientific measurement system, opinions of both merit and popularity are necessarily subjective.

Which should hardly surprise anyone, since we're talking about music. Calling songs "overrated" or "underrated" is one of the ways we communicate our subjective opinions regarding music. If there's no point in communicating said opinions, I suggest shutting down the 'base.

As for the silly argument that something can only be "rated" if an objective measurement system exists, I direct your attention to the dictionary (Merriam-Webster), with my bold:
Main Entry: rate
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): rat·ed; rat·ing
transitive verb
1 obsolete : ALLOT
2 a : to set an estimate on : VALUE, ESTEEM (black is rated very high this season) b : to determine or assign the relative rank or class of : GRADE (rate a seaman) c : to estimate the normal capacity or power of
3 : CONSIDER, REGARD (was rated an excellent pianist)
4 : to fix the amount of premium to be charged per unit of insurance on
5 : to have a right to : DESERVE (she rated special privileges)
intransitive verb : to enjoy a status of special privilege (really rates with the boss)
synonym see ESTIMATE

Okay, but even one's "subjective" opinion of what is "overrated" or "underrated" must be based on a factual accounting of how often a particular song has been hyped or dissed on these pages, lest it be an opinion based on bogus information, redering it completely moot.

And as I've said before, opinions on here are many and varied, and I don't see how one can go about tracking the frequency and degree of hype or diss for a given song. In my 3+ years of regular visitation here, I've seen most every song praised and criticized a number of times, and I would have no clue how to assess which are praised more or less than they are trashed.....unless it's "Coconut Cream", (which most everyone thinks is terrible.... because it just is) or "Courage" (which many here seem think is "overrated", though more Hipbasers seem to dislike it...which serves to support my argument).

I think that people just key in on the negative comments made towards songs they are fond of, regardless of whether they are outnumbered by the praise of those particular songs (and vise versa) because that's what tends sticks in one's mind.

Let's not be confusing "rate" and "rank."

It just so happens that assigning "rank" is a prominent definition of "rate" (see #2b above).

[skippy the wonder dog]

Let's not be confusing "rate" and "rank."

It just so happens that assigning "rank" is a prominent definition of "rate" (see #2b above).

Ah, but the connotations of the two are quite different. We may rate things without ranking them, as ranking involves assigning a place in a heirarchy, where rating may be as simple as asserting that Coconut Cream sucks, without regard to its rank among things that suck.

Now, Courage, for example: some fairly vocal Hipbasers don't like it, but a lot of others do. Furthermore, it continues to get radio play, is a setlist staple (reflecting either the band's opinion of it, ir the band's assessment of fan opinion), and appears on "Yer Favourites."

So there's a basis for me to say it's overrated. Of course, my assessment of its general popularity might be out to lunch, so it helps if I define my frame of reference.

Now, I'll grant you that simply saying "Coconut Cream is underrated" is no more helpful than saying "I don't like ice cream." It's also, as I said previously, a physical impossibility: as soon as someone, anywhere in the world, declares that song underrated, it rises sufficiently in esteem to instantaneously become overrated, and the natural order reasserts itself.

Trust me on that one.

[Chris4613]

I definitely think Hanson is underrated. They play write their own music which you don't see out of kids these...Oh wait those broads are like 30 now sorry, those girls are definitely overrated I apologize.