[the_don]

Pearl Jam's fan club tickets are also sold after a lottery--which might actually be the very definition of fairness but which is incredibly frustrating when you're unsuccessful (although, in the name of full disclosure, I'm 5/6 on lottery tries). After that, though, I'm fine with using seniority to distribute tickets: it's a method, and it's not necessarily the fairest one, but it's a helluva lot better than having a fan club presale that's actually a mailing list presale with a generic password and a four-ticket limit.

The ticket limit was, to me, a far bigger issue with supply-and-demand being what they are for these shows. Two for the presales/four for the general would've been fine; four and eight was ridiculous, and while I'm loathe to criticize anyone associated with TTH at a time like this their management could've handled this a lot better.

Hey SW Ontario, hope you were able to get TTH tix. I think our disagreement regarding what is fair ticket selling practice shows how difficult the process is to be fair.

In Pearl Jams case, the 10c has had a shady history. For nine years, 10c never bothered to disclose that ticket distribution was to be based on seniority, forever. Sure, members with more seniority deserve benefits, but better seats, forever, especially considering this was never disclosed for 9 years?

10c has had some other challenging issues, such as forcing fans to arrive early on show day to get better seats within their "seniority block." Other wonders 10c history include...Not disclosing to buyers seat location until day of show, then disturbing tickets incorrectly. Congrats on the 5 of 6. That don't happen near me, unless you were a member many years ago. Some Long time members were getting nosebleed obstructed views this year.

Near me, where the band is so popular, most do not get tickets thru the 10c lottery.

So we are forced to the secondary market, which BTW supply is extremely limited (as a direct result of the bands ticket distribution policy) thus increasing demand and driving up prices. Other popular acts, such as Bruce, that sell thru normal channels, have decent seats on stubhub for hundreds less than PJ

The prices on stubhub now for this TTH tour are less expensive than the Pearl Jam seats were earlier this year in my neck of the woods.

What 9 years are you talking about? 10C has always been seniority based, I've been a member forever.

[Scotty12]

I didn't even realize the limit was eight for the general on sale. Jesus christ.

Neither did I .... Wow.

What % of fans would EVER consider purchasing 8 tickets for a show, let alone pull the trigger on the purchase? Has to be single digits. Yet 100% of scalpers likely in favor of it. Terrible.

Would love to know how many 8 ticket orders were made For the MMP tour, and if that is why so few of us could even land singles.

[Lerxst1991]

Pearl Jam's fan club tickets are also sold after a lottery--which might actually be the very definition of fairness but which is incredibly frustrating when you're unsuccessful (although, in the name of full disclosure, I'm 5/6 on lottery tries). After that, though, I'm fine with using seniority to distribute tickets: it's a method, and it's not necessarily the fairest one, but it's a helluva lot better than having a fan club presale that's actually a mailing list presale with a generic password and a four-ticket limit.

The ticket limit was, to me, a far bigger issue with supply-and-demand being what they are for these shows. Two for the presales/four for the general would've been fine; four and eight was ridiculous, and while I'm loathe to criticize anyone associated with TTH at a time like this their management could've handled this a lot better.

Hey SW Ontario, hope you were able to get TTH tix. I think our disagreement regarding what is fair ticket selling practice shows how difficult the process is to be fair.

In Pearl Jams case, the 10c has had a shady history. For nine years, 10c never bothered to disclose that ticket distribution was to be based on seniority, forever. Sure, members with more seniority deserve benefits, but better seats, forever, especially considering this was never disclosed for 9 years?

10c has had some other challenging issues, such as forcing fans to arrive early on show day to get better seats within their "seniority block." Other wonders 10c history include...Not disclosing to buyers seat location until day of show, then disturbing tickets incorrectly. Congrats on the 5 of 6. That don't happen near me, unless you were a member many years ago. Some Long time members were getting nosebleed obstructed views this year.

Near me, where the band is so popular, most do not get tickets thru the 10c lottery.

So we are forced to the secondary market, which BTW supply is extremely limited (as a direct result of the bands ticket distribution policy) thus increasing demand and driving up prices. Other popular acts, such as Bruce, that sell thru normal channels, have decent seats on stubhub for hundreds less than PJ

The prices on stubhub now for this TTH tour are less expensive than the Pearl Jam seats were earlier this year in my neck of the woods.

What 9 years are you talking about? 10C has always been seniority based, I've been a member forever.

10c didn't disclose that member numbers were purposely sequential and set the order for ticket sales until 2000.

[Tthip]

I didn't even realize the limit was eight for the general on sale. Jesus christ.

Neither did I .... Wow.

What % of fans would EVER consider purchasing 8 tickets for a show, let alone pull the trigger on the purchase? Has to be single digits. Yet 100% of scalpers likely in favor of it. Terrible.

Would love to know how many 8 ticket orders were made For the MMP tour, and if that is why so few of us could even land singles.

Every show I got/tried only allowed me to select max of 4 for the public sale.

[NWOntario]

Pearl Jam's fan club tickets are also sold after a lottery--which might actually be the very definition of fairness but which is incredibly frustrating when you're unsuccessful (although, in the name of full disclosure, I'm 5/6 on lottery tries). After that, though, I'm fine with using seniority to distribute tickets: it's a method, and it's not necessarily the fairest one, but it's a helluva lot better than having a fan club presale that's actually a mailing list presale with a generic password and a four-ticket limit.

The ticket limit was, to me, a far bigger issue with supply-and-demand being what they are for these shows. Two for the presales/four for the general would've been fine; four and eight was ridiculous, and while I'm loathe to criticize anyone associated with TTH at a time like this their management could've handled this a lot better.

Hey SW Ontario, hope you were able to get TTH tix. I think our disagreement regarding what is fair ticket selling practice shows how difficult the process is to be fair.

In Pearl Jams case, the 10c has had a shady history. For nine years, 10c never bothered to disclose that ticket distribution was to be based on seniority, forever. Sure, members with more seniority deserve benefits, but better seats, forever, especially considering this was never disclosed for 9 years?

10c has had some other challenging issues, such as forcing fans to arrive early on show day to get better seats within their "seniority block." Other wonders 10c history include...Not disclosing to buyers seat location until day of show, then disturbing tickets incorrectly. Congrats on the 5 of 6. That don't happen near me, unless you were a member many years ago. Some Long time members were getting nosebleed obstructed views this year.

Near me, where the band is so popular, most do not get tickets thru the 10c lottery.

So we are forced to the secondary market, which BTW supply is extremely limited (as a direct result of the bands ticket distribution policy) thus increasing demand and driving up prices. Other popular acts, such as Bruce, that sell thru normal channels, have decent seats on stubhub for hundreds less than PJ

The prices on stubhub now for this TTH tour are less expensive than the Pearl Jam seats were earlier this year in my neck of the woods.

I went four-for-four on Hip tickets...so when I criticize the process it's as someone who benefited from it tremendously.

But you're right about Ten Club tickets. I think it's the best it's been right now, minus the few glorious years when you were virtually guaranteed tickets to any show you wanted. 2003 might've been the best in terms of equitable distribution since it simultaneously rewarded seniority and people willing to put in time outside the venues. I personally hated that, since I personally hate lining up outside of anything even if it's to see one of my favourite bands, but it rewarded people who were willing to hustle a bit more the day of the show.

It's a shame the Hip's THC experiment didn't last longer; I think, given the band's relative stature, any sort of "official" fan club would've assured a lot of the band's bigger fans of getting tickets. And having said that...it's also possible this all boils down to the simple dictates of supply-and-demand, and we might possibly be trying to access the biggest tour in Canadian music history (I honestly don't think that's an exaggeration). I'm just not sure if there's a fair way of distributing tickets to something as popular as this unless a, you let the free market reign, or b, you turn the entire process into a lottery, and imagine the reaction to that?

And from the sounds of what you're saying...NE corridor?

[Lerxst1991]

Yes NWO, I am talking about NE US, especially NYC, where it's brutal trying to get PJ tix, whether thru 10c or TM. The reality is in their effort to keep costs low, they are actually priced their tix far below market value for 10c fans, and significantly inflated TM market prices since the TM supply is drastically reduced since most seats go to 10c. The market forces always have a way to impact prices.

Unfortunately, something similar happened with MMP tour. There was no way to predict demand to be this heavy, like you said, perhaps the most popular tour in Canadian history. The result is the face value tickets way below market value...$126 CAD for floor and lowers are about what premium concert tix went for face value about 10-15 years ago around here

Since the face value tix were sold below market, the increased demand and reduced supply is impacting Platinum and stubhub tix , similar to what happens with PJ tix.

Let's hope TTH adds rear stage seating and perhaps one festival or stadium show (Olympic Stadium??), prices the tix a little bit higher (ugh) and has some protections like cc entry.

[NWOntario]

I didn't even realize the limit was eight for the general on sale. Jesus christ.

Neither did I .... Wow.

What % of fans would EVER consider purchasing 8 tickets for a show, let alone pull the trigger on the purchase? Has to be single digits. Yet 100% of scalpers likely in favor of it. Terrible.

Would love to know how many 8 ticket orders were made For the MMP tour, and if that is why so few of us could even land singles.

Every show I got/tried only allowed me to select max of 4 for the public sale.

...and now that I'm looking all the shows are showing a max of four--but when the onsale happened you could definitely request eight, at least for Toronto.

[Rye]

Yes NWO, I am talking about NE US, especially NYC, where it's brutal trying to get PJ tix, whether thru 10c or TM. The reality is in their effort to keep costs low, they are actually priced their tix far below market value for 10c fans, and significantly inflated TM market prices since the TM supply is drastically reduced since most seats go to 10c. The market forces always have a way to impact prices.

Unfortunately, something similar happened with MMP tour. There was no way to predict demand to be this heavy, like you said, perhaps the most popular tour in Canadian history. The result is the face value tickets way below market value...$126 CAD for floor and lowers are about what premium concert tix went for face value about 10-15 years ago around here

Since the face value tix were sold below market, the increased demand and reduced supply is impacting Platinum and stubhub tix , similar to what happens with PJ tix.

Let's hope TTH adds rear stage seating and perhaps one festival or stadium show (Olympic Stadium??), prices the tix a little bit higher (ugh) and has some protections like cc entry.

On stubhub you could get in for the NYC Pearl Jam shows for about $125 right before the show and in Philly I got face value tickets through ticket drops. Night one in philly lots of tickets were floating around outside the venue.

Again, with patience and persistence I've seen Pearl Jam over 50 times and never once paid over face value. I think it's a foolish strategy to pay above face value more than a week out, especially right after tickets go on sale. The Kingston show may be a special case as it's a small building on top of the obvious reasons, but for any other show on this Hip tour I'd be waiting until right before the show before I paid a ludicrous amount of money to get in. These are 15,000-20,000 seat hockey arenas, people's plans will change and there will be people that can't go. Ticketmaster drops seats to 95% of the shows.

[Lerxst1991]

Yes NWO, I am talking about NE US, especially NYC, where it's brutal trying to get PJ tix, whether thru 10c or TM. The reality is in their effort to keep costs low, they are actually priced their tix far below market value for 10c fans, and significantly inflated TM market prices since the TM supply is drastically reduced since most seats go to 10c. The market forces always have a way to impact prices.

Unfortunately, something similar happened with MMP tour. There was no way to predict demand to be this heavy, like you said, perhaps the most popular tour in Canadian history. The result is the face value tickets way below market value...$126 CAD for floor and lowers are about what premium concert tix went for face value about 10-15 years ago around here

Since the face value tix were sold below market, the increased demand and reduced supply is impacting Platinum and stubhub tix , similar to what happens with PJ tix.

Let's hope TTH adds rear stage seating and perhaps one festival or stadium show (Olympic Stadium??), prices the tix a little bit higher (ugh) and has some protections like cc entry.

On stubhub you could get in for the NYC Pearl Jam shows for about $125 right before the show and in Philly I got face value tickets through ticket drops. Night one in philly lots of tickets were floating around outside the venue.

Again, with patience and persistence I've seen Pearl Jam over 50 times and never once paid over face value. I think it's a foolish strategy to pay above face value more than a week out, especially right after tickets go on sale. The Kingston show may be a special case as it's a small building on top of the obvious reasons, but for any other show on this Hip tour I'd be waiting until right before the show before I paid a ludicrous amount of money to get in. These are 15,000-20,000 seat hockey arenas, people's plans will change and there will be people that can't go. Ticketmaster drops seats to 95% of the shows.

I checked day of show stubhub for PJ MSG right up until 7pm, and I saw prices increasing , as the cheaper seats were being sold. I admit I didn't care for nosebleeds, if I recall correctly, I saw nothing lower level under $400 day of show. I settled on rear stage lower a couple days before the show for $240, on the cheap side as seats in that area were typically $300+.

In front of stage lowers were going $500-1000 most days. I must have checked stub hub and TM (lol) a thousand times.

[NWOntario]

Off-hand, does anyone know if the Hip have an established drop system? I honestly can't remember.