06-01-2005, 02:18 PM
who cares how long it's all gonna be around for..."Use it up, use it all up, don't save a thing for later" 
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Billy Corgan-The Future Embrace EP
06-02-2005, 11:34 AM
The first three studio albums were amazing, I even dug most of Pisces Iscariot, but on Adore they started to lose me, but still liked it enough, but they lost me on Machina for the most part. Other than the Everlasting gaze, the album just sort of melted together into one big waste of Corgan's talent. Their desire to recreate the same radio friendly song time after time did them in I think, Zwan was ok, but they'll never be able to recreate the magic of their earlier work.
I saw them in the dome for what I think was the Mellon Collie tour, then again in Edmonton on the Summersault/farewell tour. First time was amazing, farwell tour they were very much going through the motions, playing lame songs and were massivly upstaged by A Perfect Circle and the Foo Fighters.
I saw them in the dome for what I think was the Mellon Collie tour, then again in Edmonton on the Summersault/farewell tour. First time was amazing, farwell tour they were very much going through the motions, playing lame songs and were massivly upstaged by A Perfect Circle and the Foo Fighters.
06-03-2005, 01:04 PM
aaronck Wrote:on Machina - other than the Everlasting gaze, the album just sort of melted together into one big waste of Corgan's talent. Their desire to recreate the same radio friendly song time after time did them in I think"
if that's the case then why weren't the most radio friendly songs on Machina like This Time, The Sacred And Profane, Wound, Age Of Innocence, and Raindrops And Sunshowers released as singles then?
Adore and The Machina Albums have every bit as much if not more vision and integrity than SD and MCIS. The only reason those albums get slammed is that they don't really sound anything at all like the Smashing Pumpkins that took the world by storm in the mid 90's...
06-05-2005, 02:20 PM
Quote "if that's the case then why weren't the most radio friendly songs on Machina like This Time, The Sacred And Profane, Wound, Age Of Innocence, and Raindrops And Sunshowers released as singles then? "
Because radio and the buying public lost interest I think.....I sure did
Because radio and the buying public lost interest I think.....I sure did
06-06-2005, 11:33 AM
not here they didn't, Q92 fucking played the shit out of Stand Inside Your Love...
not to mention that the Pumpkins headlined Summersault that year...obviously there were (and there still are) people interested in them...
not to mention that the Pumpkins headlined Summersault that year...obviously there were (and there still are) people interested in them...
06-06-2005, 04:50 PM
THE WHOLE ALBUM HAS LEAKED! i'm getting it right now on soulseek!
06-08-2005, 01:02 PM
ok, so here it is, the review, track by track:
1. All Things Change: indeed they do, rather than this album starting off with a drum roll, or a piano and string section, or even a big bad guitar riff (or even a quiet acoustic guitar for that matter) the Future Embrace begins with this quirky, synth laden number. it's not heavy, but it's not quite mellow either, and it's somehow oddly warm and blanketing with corgan singing "we can change the world" as the song comes to its close. it's not the album's strongest track, but it definately does a good job of setting the tone for the rest of the album.
2. Mina Loy (M.O.H.): one of the immediate standout tracks, it's something like the bastard son of The Everlasting Gaze and Ava Adore, except a lot more heartfelt than either. the louder you play this one the better it sounds, and much like the rest of the album, the big guitar riffs have for the most part been replaced by pounding bass lines, sprinkled with just the right amount of synth and NASA approved guitar parts.
3. The Camera Eye: so far this one's my favourite, the minimalist guitar part works wonders over the dizzying/headspinning beat, lyrically and vocally Corgan is on top of his game here, and this very well could be the finest song he's written since MCIS (IMO). it's so good of a song that i wish it was longer, because at just over 3 minutes it blows right by you and leaves you hungry for more.
4. ToLoveSomebody: a real downer, where corgan sings "you don't know what it's like, to love somebody like i love you", one of the more self-indulgent songs on the album, BUT, the guitar part that it builds up to at the end (it's not a killer high-flying solo or brutal extra-crunchy Iommian in case i'm getting your hopes up too high) is sweet, and when you hear it it makes you appreciate the rest of the song that much more,. i'd categorize this one in the same ballpark as Daphne Descends, In My Body, and Eye.
5. A100: another standout, possibly the most electronic sounding of all the tracks on the album (and possibly the most electronic thing corgan has ever written). this one is the furthest removed from the pumpkins/zwan sound the brought Corgan to the dance. this one definately did the evolution, and so far so good. i really appreciate what he was trying to do with this one, and not only do i think it works, i think this new style fits Corgan like a glove. I can't wait to see if he tries to incorporate the big heavy guitars into the live show like the pumpkins did with Ava Adore, because on tracks like this one, Mina Loy, Walking Shade, and The Camera Eye it would sound incredible.
6. DIA: this is the most guitar driven track on the album, and of all of the songs is the one that would sound most at home alongside Smashing Pumpkins or Zwan songs. not to say that it doesn't fit well on this album though, because it does, and it helps hold it together rather well (what with being stuck right in the middle of the album and all).
7. Now (And Then): not too distant relative of "Behold! The Nightmare", it's got that sunken, sullen, and soulful vibe to it, with perfectly placed and articulated guitars to help accentuate the vocals, and a slowly but surely beat meandering along to the next track.
8. I'm Ready: the whole album has a very 80's vibe to it, but especially this song, which happens to be a bit more uplifting (both lyrically and musically) than most of the other material on display here. a simple song, it's catchy enough, once again, it's not really heavy or all that mellow either (because of the pounding bass), this song is kind of the oddball of the bunch, as it doesn't really go anywhere or build up to anything, but just sort of revels in its own eccentricity(ies)...i bet you it's Billy's favourite lol.
9. Walking Shade: the album's first single, and rightly so, i've had this song stuck in my head since my first listen. it's 100% pure elctronic eargasm, brilliant song writing, and a perfect example of how to be heavy without a big stompin guitar riff. this one's sure to keep your toes tappin' and your showers tuneful (or maybe not so tuneful depending on how good your singing voice is, i'm sure if Billy can sing it so can you :lol
. I hope to see and hear this track all over the airwaves all summer long.
10. Sorrows (in blue): a good song for a rainy day...or perhaps it's a song about the Toronto Maple Leafs :lol:
11. Pretty, pretty STAR: the most (and really sort of the only) romantic moment on this album. i have to admit it's kind of a lame title for a song, but it's a damn good song, so i don't care. Billy delivers one of his stronger vocal performances on this one (IMO), and it compliments the two melancholy tracks that it's sandwiched between rather nicely.
12. Strayz: an excellent closer to an excellent album, a stripped down song, primarily featuring vocals, bass, and a little bit of keyboards and that's about it. definately the quietest, most intimate moment on the album, a perfect lullaby before the lights go off on The Future Embrace.
i'd give it a 4/5, but i'm a huge Corgan fan so i'm still not quite sure how the masses are going to recive this album.
also, if you can, find and dl the track "Hammer And Nales", it's listed on soulseek as being the first track on the album, but it's not even on the album at all, which is a shame, because it's a beautiful song. the only reason i can see for it not making the album is that it really doesn't really feature any electronic or synth parts (at least not any noticable ones).
1. All Things Change: indeed they do, rather than this album starting off with a drum roll, or a piano and string section, or even a big bad guitar riff (or even a quiet acoustic guitar for that matter) the Future Embrace begins with this quirky, synth laden number. it's not heavy, but it's not quite mellow either, and it's somehow oddly warm and blanketing with corgan singing "we can change the world" as the song comes to its close. it's not the album's strongest track, but it definately does a good job of setting the tone for the rest of the album.
2. Mina Loy (M.O.H.): one of the immediate standout tracks, it's something like the bastard son of The Everlasting Gaze and Ava Adore, except a lot more heartfelt than either. the louder you play this one the better it sounds, and much like the rest of the album, the big guitar riffs have for the most part been replaced by pounding bass lines, sprinkled with just the right amount of synth and NASA approved guitar parts.
3. The Camera Eye: so far this one's my favourite, the minimalist guitar part works wonders over the dizzying/headspinning beat, lyrically and vocally Corgan is on top of his game here, and this very well could be the finest song he's written since MCIS (IMO). it's so good of a song that i wish it was longer, because at just over 3 minutes it blows right by you and leaves you hungry for more.
4. ToLoveSomebody: a real downer, where corgan sings "you don't know what it's like, to love somebody like i love you", one of the more self-indulgent songs on the album, BUT, the guitar part that it builds up to at the end (it's not a killer high-flying solo or brutal extra-crunchy Iommian in case i'm getting your hopes up too high) is sweet, and when you hear it it makes you appreciate the rest of the song that much more,. i'd categorize this one in the same ballpark as Daphne Descends, In My Body, and Eye.
5. A100: another standout, possibly the most electronic sounding of all the tracks on the album (and possibly the most electronic thing corgan has ever written). this one is the furthest removed from the pumpkins/zwan sound the brought Corgan to the dance. this one definately did the evolution, and so far so good. i really appreciate what he was trying to do with this one, and not only do i think it works, i think this new style fits Corgan like a glove. I can't wait to see if he tries to incorporate the big heavy guitars into the live show like the pumpkins did with Ava Adore, because on tracks like this one, Mina Loy, Walking Shade, and The Camera Eye it would sound incredible.
6. DIA: this is the most guitar driven track on the album, and of all of the songs is the one that would sound most at home alongside Smashing Pumpkins or Zwan songs. not to say that it doesn't fit well on this album though, because it does, and it helps hold it together rather well (what with being stuck right in the middle of the album and all).
7. Now (And Then): not too distant relative of "Behold! The Nightmare", it's got that sunken, sullen, and soulful vibe to it, with perfectly placed and articulated guitars to help accentuate the vocals, and a slowly but surely beat meandering along to the next track.
8. I'm Ready: the whole album has a very 80's vibe to it, but especially this song, which happens to be a bit more uplifting (both lyrically and musically) than most of the other material on display here. a simple song, it's catchy enough, once again, it's not really heavy or all that mellow either (because of the pounding bass), this song is kind of the oddball of the bunch, as it doesn't really go anywhere or build up to anything, but just sort of revels in its own eccentricity(ies)...i bet you it's Billy's favourite lol.
9. Walking Shade: the album's first single, and rightly so, i've had this song stuck in my head since my first listen. it's 100% pure elctronic eargasm, brilliant song writing, and a perfect example of how to be heavy without a big stompin guitar riff. this one's sure to keep your toes tappin' and your showers tuneful (or maybe not so tuneful depending on how good your singing voice is, i'm sure if Billy can sing it so can you :lol
. I hope to see and hear this track all over the airwaves all summer long. 10. Sorrows (in blue): a good song for a rainy day...or perhaps it's a song about the Toronto Maple Leafs :lol:
11. Pretty, pretty STAR: the most (and really sort of the only) romantic moment on this album. i have to admit it's kind of a lame title for a song, but it's a damn good song, so i don't care. Billy delivers one of his stronger vocal performances on this one (IMO), and it compliments the two melancholy tracks that it's sandwiched between rather nicely.
12. Strayz: an excellent closer to an excellent album, a stripped down song, primarily featuring vocals, bass, and a little bit of keyboards and that's about it. definately the quietest, most intimate moment on the album, a perfect lullaby before the lights go off on The Future Embrace.
i'd give it a 4/5, but i'm a huge Corgan fan so i'm still not quite sure how the masses are going to recive this album.
also, if you can, find and dl the track "Hammer And Nales", it's listed on soulseek as being the first track on the album, but it's not even on the album at all, which is a shame, because it's a beautiful song. the only reason i can see for it not making the album is that it really doesn't really feature any electronic or synth parts (at least not any noticable ones).
07-12-2005, 03:31 PM
Well DC, I finally got around to giving this a listen. To call it disappointing would be an understatement. Glad someone likes it, but that someone sure as hell isn't me.
I hope Billy gets his mojo back with the reformed Pumpkins.
I hope Billy gets his mojo back with the reformed Pumpkins.
07-12-2005, 04:25 PM
IMO this album is to Adore what Friends And Enemies Of Modern Music is to Machines Of God...and therfore any Adore fan should really really appreciate/enjoy this album. if you want big crunchy riffs, arena anthems, Corgan's trademark "rage in a cage" approach, acoustic ballads, grandoise and breath-taking string sections, or even a happy go lucky moment or two, this album is not what you're looking for, if that's what you want to hear, go listen to the pumpkins' tunes that you already know and love...
BUT
if you think you'd like to hear a very interesting collection of back to the future synth-pop/alt/rock for the new millenium, and give it a fighting chance to grow on you, then you will probably be quite pleasantly surprised with what you find. or you might not be so surprised, depending on just how well you know, and are in touch with your "inner-Billy".
BUT
if you think you'd like to hear a very interesting collection of back to the future synth-pop/alt/rock for the new millenium, and give it a fighting chance to grow on you, then you will probably be quite pleasantly surprised with what you find. or you might not be so surprised, depending on just how well you know, and are in touch with your "inner-Billy"
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