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Pistons - Pacers Brawl
#16

I don't think Artest should ever play basketball professionally again. Bertuzzi got an entire season, with a revieew to be reinstated, for hitting another player. Attacking the fans? He should never play again. I don't care if he's provoked or not, there is no excuse for this. The team should be sued, the NBA should be sued, and the player should lose the ability to play anymore. But, since he's a star, he'll only get 30 games. Absolutely terrible.
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#17

I don't know who or what started it but I saw footage on ESPN here and MY GAWD! How rediculous! I hope they get fined.

Reminds me of the brawl I once saw in college hockey. One of the teams had their NCAA Championship revoked! Perhaps the Pistons could lose their NBA Championship?'

Just another example of why Athletes are no longer role models.


cferneyh Wrote:
K-Town Lassie Wrote:Carter stated that if someone threw beer on you while you were walking down the street you wouldn't let that go.

Well, most of us wouldn't let it go. Vince would either:

(a) fall down and cry
(b) fall down, sprain his ankle, and cry
or
© fall down, sprain his ankle, cry, and demand a trade.

Love to hear the softest player in the NBA talkin' tough. What's next? Yashin's opinion on backchecking?

This reminds me of the joke Alex Trebex once made at the NHL awards in the 80's. He said "We had a Claude Lemieux joke but it just fell on the floor and nobody paid attention to it."
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#18

thipfan73 Wrote:Perhaps the Pistons could lose their NBA Championship?'
You can't be serious...
Confusedhock:
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#19

tommygunn Wrote:
thipfan73 Wrote:Perhaps the Pistons could lose their NBA Championship?'
You can't be serious...
Confusedhock:

All I'm saying it the NCAA took away a championship from a team up here, why can't the NBA do it to them. I mean they only hoisted the friggin banner like a week or two ago.

I'm not saying they should I'm just saying it could be a possibility.
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#20

Looks like the NBA is taking this as seriously as they should...I don't think the Pistons should lose their banner, because the appropriate players have been given harsh punishments...

The NBA reportedly is handing down 70 games worth of suspensions to the Indiana Pacers for their role in a brawl during the final minute of Friday's 97-82 win at Detroit.

A Detroit television station reported that Pacers forward Ron Artest will be suspended for 30 games while teammates Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson will sit out 20 games apiece. The station said Pistons center Ben Wallace will serve a five-game suspension.
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#21

I want to know why this Artest-clown wasn't ejected as soon as he laid down on the scorer's table! WTF was that all about, anyway? Had Artest and Wallace both been ejected immediately, the situation might not have escalated as it did.

Live Update:

In addition to Artest being suspended for the rest of the season (according to NBA Commissioner Stern's press conference), ESPN says:
"Indiana's Stephen Jackson was suspended for 30 games and Jermaine O'Neal for 25. Detroit's Ben Wallace -- whose shove of Artest after a foul led to the 5-minute fracas -- drew a six-game ban, while Pacers guard Anthony Johnson got five games.

Four players were suspended for a game apiece: Indiana's Reggie Miller, and Detroit's Chauncey Billups, Elden Campbell and Derrick Coleman.

All of the suspensions are without pay."

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#22

Good call on the suspensions... say what you will about David Stern, but at least he has the guts to give significant suspensions that send a message, not like some other leagues (*cough* NHL *cough).

Bill Simmons (on the Page 2 site on ESPN.com) has an interesting take on the whole situation... check it out if you get a chance.
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#23

this is all publicity for artest he didn't want to play this year or should i say be excused so he could go promote the new rap cd he just made


just what the world needs another god damn rapper sampiling great rock n roll and chanting about crap


ron
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#24

ron Wrote:just what the world needs another god damn rapper sampiling great rock n roll and chanting about crap


ron

Enter Shaquille O'Neal...

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#25

You guys just can't imagine the non-stop coverage of "The Malice at the Palace" (as the local Detroit-Metro media is calling it) that's going on here in SE Michigan. The 6:00 news has devoted the first 15 minutes of their broadcast to it for four days, and every radio station, regardless of format, can't stop talking about it.

On one hand, it's kinda cool. You get to hear first-hand from Chris Chelios and Kid Rock who, at the game together, jokingly considered crossing the court and givin' Artest a real taste of Detroit hospitality! :lol:

Cheli ultimately and eloquently stated that what's not shown on the endless loops is the effective security that kept the rest of the fans in calm, quiet control, ensuring that only those in the immediate vicinity of the fray were involved or in danger.

Another humorous angle is that Oakland County Prosecutor David Gorcyca thought the cup-tosser (identified as John Green, an ex-con and now ex-season ticket-holder Big Grin ) looked familiar from the moment he first reviewed the video. After about ten or twelve viewings, he realized the perpetrator used to be his neighbor! How's that for bad luck: incite a riot and get fingered by the Prosecutor himself.

On the other hand, there's other stuff happening in the world that's far more newsworthy and relevant to our daily lives than minute by minute play by play coverage of an unfortunate altercation between millionaires and working class stiffs.

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#26

Quote:I don't think Artest should ever play basketball professionally again. Bertuzzi got an entire season, with a revieew to be reinstated, for hitting another player. Attacking the fans? He should never play again. I don't care if he's provoked or not, there is no excuse for this. The team should be sued, the NBA should be sued, and the player should lose the ability to play anymore. But, since he's a star, he'll only get 30 games. Absolutely terrible.

I totally agree with everything you said here
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#27

j-monster Wrote:Good call on the suspensions... say what you will about David Stern, but at least he has the guts to give significant suspensions that send a message, not like some other leagues (*cough* NHL *cough).

I'd wait for the appeal process to conclude before praising Stern too much...it says here Artest's suspension will be significantly reduced when all is said and done. The most disturbing thing to me is Artest will no doubt sell more CDs than ever as a result of this mess...if you saw his smirky face yesterday on the Today Show you'd know deep down he doesn't regret the incident one bit...you can't buy that kind of PR...

As for the NHL, ask Todd Bertuzzi (who in a best case scenario will likely miss close to two seasons of hockey when all is said and done) if he got the message sent to him by Colin Campbell last season...

BTW..."The Malice at the Palace"...ok, that's funny...:lol: :lol:

M.
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#28

Steve Czaban had this to say, pretty fricking hilarious!

5:13 a.m. November 24, 2004
Czaban recounts "The Disneyland Argument"
By Steve Czaban
Perhaps more amazing than the Pistons/Pacers/fans riot on Friday night, are the excuses, spin control and rationalization by many people regarding the primary culprits in the entire episode.

And by that, I mean, the players. Duh.

Let me try to explain this slowly for everyone. The NBA is a multi-billion dollar corporation. The players are employees. The fans are customers. Rule No. 1 in business? "The customer is always right." The rule doesn't say: "The customer is always polite." Or well behaved. Or reasonable.

So, let's close our eyes for a moment and pretend that the following story is true. When you are done, replace "mascot" with "NBA player" and tell me if you still think that there's room for "yeah, buts..."

ANAHEIM, CA -- A shocking melee erupted today at Disneyland when irate park mascot "Goofy" went after park guests in a rage when one of them threw a cup of ice on his costume.

The day was seemingly coming to a peaceful end just minutes before closing, when Goofy decided to shove fellow park mascot Mickey from behind as Mickey was entertaining one last group of park patrons. Apparently for Mickey, the attack was the last straw, as Goofy has been suspended from his duties at Disneyland more than half a dozen times for similar unprovoked attacks on fellow mascots.

Mickey got up quickly, and shoved Goofy back, before other mascots nearby rushed in to stop the fight. Cooler overstuffed heads were seemingly about to prevail, until one park guest, unhappy with Goofy's unprovoked assault on his favorite character Mickey, threw the remnants of a lemon ice cup, which hit Goofy from behind in the head.

Unable to see who had thrown the lemon ice, Goofy nonetheless ripped off his mascot head, and charged at a group of park guests standing nearby, shoving one innocent guest face first into a nearby fountain.

Then the action really started. Other park guests rushed to attack the now headless and enraged Goofy, while fellow mascot Donald Duck jumped in and started throwing haymakers with his webbed mascot hands at the guests.

Horrified guests mostly ran from the melee, but a handful of young Disneyland punks took delight in the opportunity to finally "jack up Goofy" without his big foam head on. Park security rushed in and tried to usher the group of angry mascots out of the park to safety, but several seemed intent on continuing the fight with whatever park patrons were still left.

Immediately following the fight, Doc, Sneezy, Dopey and Bashful went on the Disney Channel post-game show, and furiously defended the mascots, claiming that people have no idea how much harassment they get every day, and that the park guests basically got what they deserved.

Two days later, the multi-billion-dollar Disney Corp., which prides itself on having parks which are "the happiest place on earth," said it was suspending Goofy for the rest of the season, along with eight other mascots. The move was immediately opposed by the APMA (the Amusement Park Mascots of America union) which said the suspension should have been a lot less, especially since Goofy did get hit with a cup of lemon ice first.

Many wondered why Disney had stood behind the controversial Goofy for so long, who has had several park incidents leading up to this.

Goofy once smashed a park guest's new digital camera when he was asked to pose for a photo. He also physically intimidated a tour group chaperone during a visit to the park by repeatedly bumping into him and saying "you want a piece of me?"

Just recently, Goofy asked for two months off of work, reportedly in order to tour with the kids musical group "The Wiggles." He was suspended by Disneyland management for two days -- although with full pay.

Still, Disneyland had a hard time cutting him loose due to the fact that when he's not intimidating other park mascots or smashing cameras, he's one of the hardest working mascots in the business, working tirelessly on his "antics" from the moment the park opens, until the moment it closes.

He also has a $6 million a year guaranteed contract that runs through 2008. Firing Goofy would have meant having to pay him his full salary, while not allowing the park to hire a replacement mascot until 2009. Disney had explored trades for Goofy with other parks over the winter. Reportedly, a deal was close with Six Flags America to swap Goofy for Yogi Bear, but the deal fell through when Disney execs decided they had enough "bear characters" on their roster.

Reaction to the ugly melee has been mixed. Many parents who have grown tired of Goofy's often glorified bullying of other mascots, felt the suspension was appropriate, and hoped that it would lead to a more civil demeanor of Disneyland mascots. Some parents even said they feared for their kids' safety at Disneyland, and would consider going to different amusement parks if the situation is not corrected.

However, many Goofy fans around the country said the suspension was too harsh. And said that Disneyland should share some of the blame for not preventing park guests from throwing lemon ice at the mascots. Some even suggested that sales of lemon ice should be cut off after noon at Disney parks to avoid these kind of situations.

Others have gone as far as to say that Disneyland should shut the park down for a day as a punishment to guests involved in the fracas, and allow the mascots to perform their antics without anybody present.

Despite the suspensions, Disneyland is facing more than two dozen lawsuits from guests who were caught in the ugly mascot melee. Disneyland's stock price was down sharply in trading following the riot.

Overall, public opinion of amusement park mascots has taken a beating recently. Not only is the average mascot salary well over $1 million per year, but many of them have been getting into more and more trouble away from the park.

Kings Dominion's lead mascot was charged with rape last summer, but the case never made it to trial. A former mascot for Knott's Berry Farm shotgunned his limo driver to death, but was acquitted of aggravated manslaughter. Just this fall, the second most popular mascot at Six Flags Minnesota said he couldn't feed his family on a $10 million salary.
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VioletlightHeron Wrote:Disneyland should share some of the blame for not preventing park guests from throwing lemon ice at the mascots. Some even suggested that sales of lemon ice should be cut off after noon at Disney parks to avoid these kind of situations.
That was clever! I enjoyed the "article", thanks for posting!
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#30

:lol: Great way to start a long, grueling week. Thanks! :thumb:

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