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Re: Man Beheaded on Bus - Portage La Prairie, Manitoba - skippy the wonder dog - 08-05-2008
Because they're cops, and the cop mentality puts cops first.
Re: Man Beheaded on Bus - Portage La Prairie, Manitoba - laliber - 08-05-2008
skippy the wonder dog Wrote:Because they're cops, and the cop mentality puts cops first.
For further proof take a peak at the Taman Inquiry currently underway in Winnipeg
Re: Man Beheaded on Bus - Portage La Prairie, Manitoba - tommygunn - 08-05-2008
Marcus1970 Wrote:skippy the wonder dog Wrote:From the cop point of view you want the guy in custody and you don't want to get your own people hurt. As long as he stays in the bus and makes no move to come out and become a threat, you have time to talk him into giving up. Anything you do to take him down carries some risk.
From the family point of view you wonder why the police allowed this maniac to continue to desecrate the body.
Good point.
Re: Man Beheaded on Bus - Portage La Prairie, Manitoba - The Horrible Esthete - 08-06-2008
tommygunn Wrote:Marcus1970 Wrote:skippy the wonder dog Wrote:From the cop point of view you want the guy in custody and you don't want to get your own people hurt. As long as he stays in the bus and makes no move to come out and become a threat, you have time to talk him into giving up. Anything you do to take him down carries some risk.
From the family point of view you wonder why the police allowed this maniac to continue to desecrate the body.
Good point.
But even the family ought to understand that adding a police officer (or mulitple police officers) to the death toll would be even worse than the "further desecration" of their loved one's body....
Re: Man Beheaded on Bus - Portage La Prairie, Manitoba - VioletlightHeron - 08-06-2008
Call me cynical if you will, but I feel that if the police did something to prevent the suspect from further desecrating the victim's body and got officers killed in the process, the media and the general public would call them heroes and forget about them within 6 months, all the while still complaining that the cops can never do anything right.
Re: Man Beheaded on Bus - Portage La Prairie, Manitoba - tommygunn - 08-06-2008
The Horrible Esthete Wrote:tommygunn Wrote:Marcus1970 Wrote:From the family point of view you wonder why the police allowed this maniac to continue to desecrate the body.
Good point.
But even the family ought to understand that adding a police officer (or mulitple police officers) to the death toll would be even worse than the "further desecration" of their loved one's body....
Well I wasn't making any assumptions of cops dying or not.. tactical units are trained in matters such as this but that's not what I was getting at.
Marcus brought up what I felt was a good point. It made me think...
Put yourself in their shoes.. imagine if the victim was your son.
Would you be so easy to understand? :?
There's really no right or wrong answer..
Thankfully this is a rare event....
Re: Man Beheaded on Bus - Portage La Prairie, Manitoba - Tthip - 08-06-2008
Greyhound Scraps Ads After Beheading
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Re: Man Beheaded on Bus - Portage La Prairie, Manitoba - The Horrible Esthete - 08-07-2008
tommygunn Wrote:Well I wasn't making any assumptions of cops dying or not.. tactical units are trained in matters such as this but that's not what I was getting at.
Marcus brought up what I felt was a good point. It made me think...
Put yourself in their shoes.. imagine if the victim was your son.
Would you be so easy to understand? :?
But why aren't you "making any assumptions of cops dying or not"? That's was apparently the reality of the situation here -- the cops were following protocol designed to protect themselves from injury or death. Otherwise, there would have been no "waiting around" for hours on end.
My personal opinion on "acceptable methods" of handling situations like that goes way beyond what society deems as "appropriate". In my vision of "the way it should be", cops arriving on such a scene are not required to "take custody" of a nutjob like that unless he totally and completely gives himself up. If he does not immediately comply with officers' commands to the letter, then he gets a hot slug in his ear.
End of "standoff".
But given that this isn't how things are, and if my hypothetical son is the victim in such a circumstance, I can pretty much assume that if my question of "what the hell are (were) you cops waitng for?" is answered with "for the elimination of the risk of potential harm to me and my fellow officers", then I'm going to understand. I may not be "satisfied", but I'm going to understand their need to safely do their duty.
Re: Man Beheaded on Bus - Portage La Prairie, Manitoba - aaronck - 08-07-2008
And now, adding to the fun, PETA is putting in their >02
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god I hate those guys
Re: Man Beheaded on Bus - Portage La Prairie, Manitoba - The Horrible Esthete - 08-07-2008
aaronck Wrote:And now, adding to the fun, PETA is putting in their >02
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god I hate those guys
For crying out loud.
PETA is the worst of all the crazy activist groups.
I'm going to start a new activist group: PATPM (People for the Abusive Treatment of PETA Members)
Re: Man Beheaded on Bus - Portage La Prairie, Manitoba - Jenna_Bird - 08-07-2008
That is so vile that I cannot find the words. There is something seriously wrong with PETA and their members. I do not understand how people can lessen such a tragedy and compare it to killing animals for food. Piss off, PETA.
-Jenna
Re: Man Beheaded on Bus - Portage La Prairie, Manitoba - skippy the wonder dog - 08-07-2008
PETA thrives on publicity. They will do anything to get their name in the media.
They're best ignored.
Re: Man Beheaded on Bus - Portage La Prairie, Manitoba - The Darkest Canuck - 08-07-2008
I can't believe what i've heard about some Americans criticizing the people on the bus for not doing anything...wtf!?!?!?!?
Sorry we don't all have guns on us...what were they supposed to do...blast the guy with their heat vision?
Buddy didn't have a boxcutter, he had a huge hunting knife, and he knew how to use it.
Re: Man Beheaded on Bus - Portage La Prairie, Manitoba - The Horrible Esthete - 08-07-2008
skippy the wonder dog Wrote:They're best ignored.
I find that they're best sauteed in white wine, butter, and garilc, and served on a bed of fresh spring greens with a side of wild mushroom risotto.
Re: Man Beheaded on Bus - Portage La Prairie, Manitoba - chris - 08-07-2008
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WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT A recording of radio transmissions made by RCMP officers responding to a slaying on a Greyhound bus near Portage la Prairie was leaked on liveleak.com. (August 1, 2008)