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Man Beheaded on Bus - Portage La Prairie, Manitoba
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PORTAGE LA PRAIRIE, Manitoba (July 31) - A traveler aboard a Greyhound bus repeatedly stabbed and then decapitated his seat mate, pausing during the savage attack in central Canada to display the head to passengers who had fled in horror, witnesses and officials said Thursday.
A 40-year-old man was arrested after the grisly slaying late Wednesday night aboard a bus en route from Edmonton, Alberta, to Winnipeg, Manitoba, Royal Canadian Mounted Police Sgt. Steve Colwell told reporters.
Police apprehended the suspect early Thursday as he tried to escape from the bus about three hours after the attack, Colwell said.
Authorities said a motive had not been determined. They declined to identify the suspect or the victim, and provided few details about the attack.
But passenger Garnet Caton said the victim, who appeared to be about 19, was sleeping with headphones on when his seat mate suddenly began stabbing him as the bus traveled a desolate stretch of the TransCanada Highway, a dozen miles from Portage La Prairie.
Caton, sitting just one seat in front of the two men, said he heard no exchanges between them prior to the violence.
"We heard this bloodcurdling scream and turned around, and the guy was standing up, stabbing this guy repeatedly, like 40 or 50 times," Caton said from a hotel in Brandon, Manitoba, where he and other horrified passengers were taken.
Caton said the driver stopped the bus when he became aware of the savagery going on aboard and passengers scrambled off. He said the suspect appeared to be methodically cutting into the victim's body.
"When he was attacking him, he was calm ... like he was at the beach," said Caton. "There was no rage or, or anything. He was just like a robot stabbing the guy."
The bus driver, Caton and a trucker at the scene re-boarded to see what was happening.
Caton said he saw the suspect had the victim on the floor of the bus and "was cutting his head off and pretty much gutting him" with a large hunting knife.
The attacker turned toward them and the three men quickly left the bus, blocking the door as the attacker slashed at them through an opening. The three secured the door to prevent the man from fleeing. Caton said the driver disabled the vehicle after the attacker tried to drive it away.
As the three guarded the door with a crow bar and a hammer, the attacker went back to the body and calmly came to the front of the bus to show off the head.
Fellow passenger Cody Olmstead said the man "dropped the head and went back and started cutting the body." Olmstead said the man later taunted police and dropped the head in front of them.
Greyhound spokeswoman Abby Wambaugh said 37 passengers were aboard, many watching the on-board movie "Zorro" when the violence erupted.
"You're sitting there enjoying your trip and then all of a sudden somebody gets stabbed. I imagine it would be pretty traumatic," Colwell said.
He said the actions of truck driver, bus driver and Caton probably prevented anyone else from being hurt. They "were very brave."
The victim had been on the bus since Edmonton. Caton said the attacker boarded the bus in Brandon, Manitoba, about 80 miles west of Portage La Prairie.
The suspect had been on the bus about an hour and initially did not sit near the victim, Caton said.
"He sat in the front at first, everything was normal," Caton said.
"We went to the next stop and he got off and had a smoke with another young lady there. When he got on the bus again, he came to the back near where I was sitting.
"He put his bags in the overhead compartment. He didn't say a word to anybody. He seemed totally normal," Caton said.
Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day called the attack bizarre, but did not discuss details, saying he did not want to jeopardize the investigation

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right now, police aren't confirming that he was actually beheaded.
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That's just freaky.
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And just people sat by and watched, then ran. Nobody tried to overpower this guy?

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BuffaloHipFan Wrote:And just people sat by and watched, then ran. Nobody tried to overpower this guy?

An eyewitness said on the CBC News the other day that the guy was built like a tank. Not only that, he was wielding a knife... I don't know if they could have overpowered him if they wanted to.
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#6

I understand your question but I wonder what exactly do you think they could have been done?

Nobody without expert training could have disarmed that man. The passengers who held the killer for three hours are heroes. In the face of unimaginable horror they held that madman at bay and saved God knows how many lives. The strength and courage of those men deserves to be rewarded.
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Some years ago I sat through a class on knife-fighting taught by an instructor from the OPP TRU team (i.e., the SWAT team). It was following the Oka standoff, and we were training in what the army calls "aid to the civil power."

The expert training on disarming a man armed with a knife is this: try to disarm a man with a knife, who seriously intends to use it, and you will die. If you are a cop, within 21 feet of a man with a knife, he can be on you with the knife in you before you can draw and aim your weapon. You don't approach him without your weapon drawn and ready. You don't attempt to disarm him by any method other than putting a bullet through his centre of visible mass.

I wouldn't blame anyone for making tracks. Knives demand serious respect, especially in the hands of a psycho.
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#8

It was awfully nice of the RCMP to not inform the family of the victim in a timely fashion. The family must have felt great hearing about the death from a reporter. Confusedcratch:
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#9

looks like Facebook was faster then the RCMP
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This guy was really messed up (as if the supposed beheading was not enough)
Apparently he was also eating his victim.

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BuffaloHipFan Wrote:And just people sat by and watched, then ran. Nobody tried to overpower this guy?
""We heard this bloodcurdling scream and turned around, and the guy was standing up, stabbing this guy repeatedly, like 40 or 50 times," Caton said from a hotel in Brandon, Manitoba, where he and other horrified passengers were taken."

So, it seems the guy is probably already dead by the time anyone knew anything was going on....All there was left to do was get the hell off the bus, before the guy attacks someone else..
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What I don't understand is why the cops waited 3 hours before bringing the stand off to an end? This dude was alone on the bus, the other guy was obviously dead, why wait it out? Why not use tear gas, or pepper spray, or shoot him in the lower extremities, or some other method that would put and end to the nonsense.
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Billy Wrote:What I don't understand is why the cops waited 3 hours before bringing the stand off to an end? This dude was alone on the bus, the other guy was obviously dead, why wait it out? Why not use tear gas, or pepper spray, or shoot him in the lower extremities, or some other method that would put and end to the nonsense.

I think Skippy can confirm my thinking on this, but there was a standoff here awhile ago and the SWAT team waited 2 or 3 hours before rushing the guy. Generally, the police want to try and talk the guy into surrendering before having to use force. They could also just be waiting for the right tactical conditions; i.e. waiting for dusk/nightfall before disorenting the subject with some flashbangs and taking him down.
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From the cop point of view you want the guy in custody and you don't want to get your own people hurt. As long as he stays in the bus and makes no move to come out and become a threat, you have time to talk him into giving up. Anything you do to take him down carries some risk.
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skippy the wonder dog Wrote:From the cop point of view you want the guy in custody and you don't want to get your own people hurt. As long as he stays in the bus and makes no move to come out and become a threat, you have time to talk him into giving up. Anything you do to take him down carries some risk.

From the family point of view you wonder why the police allowed this maniac to continue to desecrate the body.
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