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Hey folks,

I picked up Neil Peart's new book Traveling Music at the Darien Lake Rush show last month. He mentions the Hip as well as my favorite Hip album. I thought I would share this with everyone and hope you enjoy it!

<Back story...In 1997 Neil Peart's daughter was killed in a car accident (she was 19) and his wife died of cancer less than a year later. He detailed his recovery, driving his motorcylce across Canada and the US, in his last book Ghost Rider. In his current book, Traveling Music, he recalls how other bands and music has influenced him throughout his life. Recalling the death of his daughter while driving in his car he discusses the Tragically Hip...>

The music helped lift me out of the abyss. It was "rock time" again on my cd changer, and guitars and drums lit up my speakers with another of enduring favorites, Fully Completely, by the Tragically Hip. I remembered the first time I heard them; it must have been 1989, September I think, and I was staying at my old log cabin in Quebec, working on the narrative of a bicycle trip over the Canadian Rockies from earier that summer, taken with my brother Danny, and some other good friends....

...Rush had just released Presto, and someone from the office told me CHOM-FM in Montreal was playing one of the songs, "Show Don't Tell", on a "Top Ten at Ten" feature where listeners called in to vote for their current favorites. I turned on the radio one night to listen to the countdown, and I think we were number three that night, but it was number four that struck me: a Canadian band I'd never heard of, the Tragically Hip, and a live recording of a song called "New Orleans is Sinking." As the band played a slow groove, the singer, Gord Downie, told a long, rambling tale that was throroughly weird and bizarre - about throwing bodies out of his girlfriend's apartment window or something - and yet riveting.

Through the '90s the Hip became very successful in Canada, but never seemed to find the audience they deserved in the United States. That remained a mystery to this listener, for their music seemed accessible enough, smart and yet deceptively simple in construction, rhythmically straight-ahead, and lots of guitars; it certainly rocked, but regrettably, the Hip remained largely a Canadian phenomenon.

I think it was for our Roll the Bones tour in '91 that I lobbied our manager, Ray, to book the Hip as our opening act on a major tour of the U.S. and Canada, a tour that would have put them in front of more than a million potential fans. However, their manager turned down the offer, saying there was a "buzz" starting for the band in Europe, and the record company wanted them to go there. I don't know, but that may have been a missed opportunity for them.

The Hip's music was especially admirable because it has so much Canada in it, Gord Downie's excellent lyrics, unique, intriguing, and sometimes obscure. Probably my overall favorite record of theirs, Fully Completely, from 1992, had some classic examples, from the opening, "Looking For a Place to Happen" with references to the French explorer, Jacques Cartier, who visited Canada in 1534 ("Jacques Cartier, right this way/ I'll put your coat up on the bed/ Hey man, you've got a real bum's eye for clothes"), to the verse in "Fifty Mission Cap" about Bill Barilko, a hockey player with the Toronto Maple Leafs in the early '50s, down through "Wheat Kings" ("Sundown in the paris of the Praries"), and the song title "Courage (for Hugh MacLennan)" (Maclennan was the Canadian author of great novels like Barometer Rising and The Watch That End the Night). The Tragically Hip were as Canadian as...hockey and beer. And donuts.
So well put...and to be done so by a rock and roll legend...YES that's right LEGEND...Neil Peart is considered to be one of the most prolific and inspirational drum legends of his time...playing alongside another great Canadian act that realized "some" cross-border fame, Rush, this is a great story, thanks for adding it!!!
Goulet!!!
-Why'd they change a face like that???
Awesome - was Jake the "loser" who decided to got to Europe instead of Touring with RUSH ?

thecompletist
Yeah Jake would have been that loser, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't all his call. I remember an interview with GD on Much saying how he really wasn't high on the mighty Rush at the time, and that might have had something to do with it. I want to say this was pre- M @ W, but it could have been before PP.

Cheers

Pat
tmoretta

Later in the book Neil talks about Phantom Power Cd. I will not share anymore than that but it is very intresting what he has to say about the album. When you get there you should do another post for the rest of the forum.
The book is a quick read and if you have the time Ghost Rider is even better.
(Note: I am a massive Rush fan)

Neil also mentions he and his wife went to one of the M@W tour dates at the HoB Sunset Strip. Gave the show a great review. I was at those shows - why didn't I look up at the balcony? Of course, I would not have hunted Neil down to talk to him (if that was even possible) because I know he likes his 'regular guy' privacy.
I remember seeing an interview on muchmusic a few years back where Gord said that the biggest regret of his career was not going on that tour with rush...

how good would that've been.
I too am a big rush fan, I just saw them on their tour and it was awesome. Those bands on the same bill....can you say...I quit, divorce, maxed credit cards and 3 months of travel?
As a non-Rush fan (sorry, but Roll The Bones is one of the worst songs I have ever heard), I fail to see what opening for Rush would have done that opening for the Stones and all other big acts that they've opened for over the years (or playing Woodstock, or being on SNL) wouldn't have done.

Please don't take this as a slight on Rush fans - they just aren't my thing. And I simply don't think making it/ not making it huge in the US is as simple as "well, they could have made it big in the US if they'd opened for Rush in '91".
cferneyh Wrote:I fail to see what opening for Rush would have done that opening for the Stones and all other big acts that they've opened for over the years (or playing Woodstock, or being on SNL) wouldn't have done.

It's all about exposure, getting in front of as many people as possible. I got into Primus after seeing them open for Rush on the RtB tour (the one that The Hip passed on).

Quote:And I simply don't think making it/ not making it huge in the US is as simple as "well, they could have made it big in the US if they'd opened for Rush in '91".

This is quite true. Having said that, it sure wouldn't've hurt.
Can somebody fill me in on bands and tours the Hip have opened for bigger acts? How many shows did they do as the Stones opener? Thanks! :thumb:
cferneyh Wrote:As a non-Rush fan (sorry, but Roll The Bones is one of the worst songs I have ever heard), I fail to see what opening for Rush would have done that opening for the Stones and all other big acts that they've opened for over the years (or playing Woodstock, or being on SNL) wouldn't have done.

Please don't take this as a slight on Rush fans - they just aren't my thing. And I simply don't think making it/ not making it huge in the US is as simple as "well, they could have made it big in the US if they'd opened for Rush in '91".

Theres a difference though... the Hip opened for the Stones on a strictly dedicated European tour... the Rush tour (especially in '91 when they were huge) would have taken them straight across every major US venue... millions and millions of Rush fans... and what strikes me the most is that the '91 tour (to my knowledge) was that last time Rush toured with an opening act... after that it was strictly a 3 hour concert of musical bliss for the Rush fans....

-Jack, Relax, get busy with the facts- ... man, I love Roll The Bones...
yeah, wtf, The Hip were still playing small ass seedy little bars like the Townehouse here in Sudbury back in 91..and that's here in Canada! hmmm let's see...should we play for 100 people or so every night in small bars across Canada and Europe or should we play all of the biggest arenas in Canada and the USA with one of the biggest/best bands in the world? that's the wonderful thing about the hip though, they love the intimate venues, always have and i'm guessing/hoping that they always will Smile.
das_hips Wrote:Theres a difference though... the Hip opened for the Stones on a strictly dedicated European tour... the Rush tour (especially in '91 when they were huge) would have taken them straight across every major US venue... millions and millions of Rush fans... and what strikes me the most is that the '91 tour (to my knowledge) was that last time Rush toured with an opening act... after that it was strictly a 3 hour concert of musical bliss for the Rush fans....

The Stones were but one example. Wouldn't playing on SNL put them in front of millions of Americans? What about the exposure of Woodstock?

The point I was trying to make was Neil Peart was trying to imply that if the Hip had opened for them during their Roll The Bones tour, then they might have made it big in the US. I have a tough time buying that. I think that there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the vast majority of Americans simply don't get the Hip, even if they've been exposed to them. Sure, the smart ones with good taste do, but most don't. I don't think playing eight songs in front of a bunch of Rush fans in '91 would have changed that.

The Darkest Canuck Wrote:The Hip were still playing small ass seedy little bars like the Townehouse here in Sudbury back in 91..and that's here in Canada! hmmm let's see...should we play for 100 people or so every night in small bars across Canada and Europe or should we play all of the biggest arenas in Canada and the USA with one of the biggest/best bands in the world?

Huh? By '91 the Hip were playing venues like the Ontario Place Forum and the Spectrum in Montreal. Those are hardly dive bars with 100 people. Anyway, weren't you FIVE YEARS OLD in 1991?
The other pertinent question is that the Hip and their management at the time should have asked, who makes it big in the US after touring Europe? Sure, the Beatles and Rolling Stones made it, along with a number of other bands but with the major support of American record companies bringing them over and plugging the hell out of them on Ed Sullivan, MTV, what have you. I used to be a big Rush fan and the first mention I had heard of the Hip was on a Rush newsgroup(name escapes me now, but i vaguely recall Amit running in). At that age, in my teens, I ignored the Hip because I had never heard of them and like most teenagers thought Metallica and Rush ruled and ignored everything else. Nowadays, the acts that have roots in Europe who have made it over to the US (Backstreet Boys, Franz Ferdinand, Kyle Minogue) have had the heavy backing of their American record companies.
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