cochise Wrote:john cage Wrote:The Cup hasn't been won by a Canadian team in what, 73 years? It's about time.
Montreal Canadiens 1992/1993 series, against the L.A. Kings, swept the series in 4. But any leafs fan worth his weight in salt would agree that the Leafs should have been in there, not the Kings...........damn Gretzky, damn high stick........but I digress.......
It has only been 14 years, but I believe this is the longest drought without a Canadian team winning a cup ever..........
Just for accuracy's sake, Montreal won it in 5 games.. GO HABS GO!!!!!!!!!!!
cochise Wrote:john cage Wrote:The Cup hasn't been won by a Canadian team in what, 73 years? It's about time.
Montreal Canadiens 1992/1993 series, against the L.A. Kings, swept the series in 4. But any leafs fan worth his weight in salt would agree that the Leafs should have been in there, not the Kings...........damn Gretzky, damn high stick........but I digress.......
It has only been 14 years, but I believe this is the longest drought without a Canadian team winning a cup ever..........
Just for accuracy's sake, Montreal won that series in 5 games. GO HABS GO!!
I really hope a canadian team never wins the cup again just because of how rediculous it is that a lot of canadians will cheer for whatever canadian team is left at the end. Screw that!
tragicallymike Wrote:I really hope a canadian team never wins the cup again just because of how rediculous it is that a lot of canadians will cheer for whatever canadian team is left at the end. Screw that!
Sour grapes from a Sabres fan. :lol:
tragicallymike Wrote:I really hope a canadian team never wins the cup again just because of how rediculous it is that a lot of canadians will cheer for whatever canadian team is left at the end. Screw that!
I cheer for the Canucks. When they were eliminated, I was left without a team to root for. So, now I root against teams. The team I am rooting against the least is the Ducks. I could never bring myself to root for the Sens.
tragicallymike Wrote:I really hope a canadian team never wins the cup again just because of how rediculous it is that a lot of canadians will cheer for whatever canadian team is left at the end. Screw that!
I'm a Leafs fan first, an Oilers fan second. As such, I would never cheer for Ottawa or Calgary. The fact they are from Canada does not supersede my dislike for either team.
Well, at least the poll is now a 50/50 split... and all it took was a 3-0 series lead...
das_hips Wrote:grimes Wrote:I don't claim to have knowledge of the hockey cultre in Ottawa. As I stated earlier, my opinion of Sens' fans is formed as a result of those that I know personally. Regarding the band-wagoning, Leafs' fans have faithfully supported a team that hasn't won in 4 decades, and will continue to do so even if the streak lasts another 4 decades (or more). We may be stupid, but we're definitely not bandwagon jumpers.
That's fine. Toronto has some of the most faithful fans going, and I can acknowledge that. I never questioned the loyalty of Toronto fans. I was simply arguing with your implication that Ottawa has no loyal fan-base, based on grimes Wrote:Now that they actually have a real shot to win, everyone's on the bandwagon, and they're actually selling out their building for a change.
And for the record, band-wagoning exists in Toronto, just as it does in every city, for every sport. To continue to pretend that it doesn't exist is ridiculous. You're more then aware that as any team (even the Leafs) progresses through the playoffs, a sizable portion of the community will begin to divert their attention to the respective team on an exponential level; following the scores, reading the 'sports news', learning a few names, discussing (or mostly asking questions, in the case of a primitive band-wagon jumper) the team... it's a natural psychological adjustment people make to 'belong' to their social surroundings; they are captivated by the excitement (as they should be), and are drawn towards the source. That's the magic of playoff hockey in this country... it draws people from all corners of the community to participate in the celebration. There are plenty of 'band-wagon jumpers' in this city, just as there was (and will be) 'band-wagon jumpers' in Toronto... if Scotiabank Place hadn't sold seats to the tune of 104.7% of its capacity this year (as well as the ridiculous regional, and domestic cable coverage that the Senators provided; I don't have numbers, but I suspect it is easily third, and there is a reason for that) the 'band-wagon' argument might be relevant, but as it stands, it isn't...
grimes Wrote:Getting a little ahead of ourselves, aren't we?
Entirely. But that drunken confidence vote got a little easier to swallow tonight...
True; in this city when the Leafs are in the playoffs, all the casual hockey fans come out of the woodwork and join the party. That's fine.
It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me how a building can average over 100% capacity. I mean if they say capacity is 20,000 but then they get 20,500 in for every game, then shouldn't capacity really be 20,500? Either way, my point on that was that in years past the Sens did not sell out games consistently (prior to the lockout specificially). No doubt they have turned that around the last two years, but it remains to be seen if they can sustain that trend in the long run, particularly if the team's performance ever takes a downturn. I hope they can though, because as much as I dislike the team, it's still nice to have six healthy franchises in Canada.
grimes Wrote:It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me how a building can average over 100% capacity. I mean if they say capacity is 20,000 but then they get 20,500 in for every game, then shouldn't capacity really be 20,500? Either way, my point on that was that in years past the Sens did not sell out games consistently (prior to the lockout specificially). No doubt they have turned that around the last two years, but it remains to be seen if they can sustain that trend in the long run, particularly if the team's performance ever takes a downturn. I hope they can though, because as much as I dislike the team, it's still nice to have six healthy franchises in Canada.
Well, as far as I can tell, and have witnessed, that 4.7% over 100% capacity basically consists of fans standing for the entire game, beyond the nose-bleed section... that top aisle that encompasses the entire arena is where those poor bastards stand... and it costs them $95 a game just to stand there this round...
Regarding previous year's attendance (and what makes two years of complete sell-outs that more impressive), is that Ottawa is the smallest market in the league. The city itself, is a whisker shy of the 800,000 mark, (1,148,000 if you include 'dat side of the river... our twin city... Gatineau...the birthplace of Daniel Briere...we'll ignore that for obvious reasons... Anaheim and New Jersey fall below the metro population of Ottawa, but both are suburbs of the two largest cities in the United States, Los Angeles and New York City... I have an excel spreadsheet if you're interested... because I was...)... So the Ottawa Senators have outdrawn 70% of the league for seven years, and 90% of the league for the past two while being the smallest market in the league... I don't see any reason to even question the Sens Army... pretend for a second that Ottawa was even 50% larger (the size of Tampa)... this wouldn't even be a question... There are hockey fans in Ottawa; we're not band-wagon jumpers (not all of us)..., and we all stilll don't understand the Hipbase Forum hate...
LizardKing51 Wrote:Just for accuracy's sake, Montreal won it in 5 games.. GO HABS GO!!!!!!!!!!!
Really, I thought they swept the series?? Oh well, I kinda didn't watch too much after the Leaf's were beat out...........LOL
tragicallymike Wrote:I really hope a canadian team never wins the cup again just because of how rediculous it is that a lot of canadians will cheer for whatever canadian team is left at the end. Screw that!
Not always true, I was cheering for Tampa on 02/04, they had more Canadian players on their team............
And I was cheering for NY Rangers in 93/94, wanted to see an original 6 win it.............
The thing about a stereotype is that not all people fit it.............many Canadians are hockey fans before they are "jersey" fans.........
das_hips Wrote:Well, as far as I can tell, and have witnessed, that 4.7% over 100% capacity basically consists of fans standing for the entire game, beyond the nose-bleed section... that top aisle that encompasses the entire arena is where those poor bastards stand... and it costs them $95 a game just to stand there this round...
Well that should still be included in capacity, there's obviously a maximum number of those tickets that are available for sale. This is by no means an Ottawa complaint, the same thing goes on in Toronto.
das_hips Wrote:Regarding previous year's attendance (and what makes two years of complete sell-outs that more impressive), is that Ottawa is the smallest market in the league. The city itself, is a whisker shy of the 800,000 mark, (1,148,000 if you include 'dat side of the river... our twin city... Gatineau...the birthplace of Daniel Briere...we'll ignore that for obvious reasons... Anaheim and New Jersey fall below the metro population of Ottawa, but both are suburbs of the two largest cities in the United States, Los Angeles and New York City... I have an excel spreadsheet if you're interested... because I was...)... So the Ottawa Senators have outdrawn 70% of the league for seven years, and 90% of the league for the past two while being the smallest market in the league... I don't see any reason to even question the Sens Army... pretend for a second that Ottawa was even 50% larger (the size of Tampa)... this wouldn't even be a question... There are hockey fans in Ottawa; we're not band-wagon jumpers (not all of us)..., and we all stilll don't understand the Hipbase Forum hate...
The only flaw in using total population to compare market size between Ottawa and some of the small markets south of the border is that Ottawa is in Canada, where hockey is much more a part of the culture. It think it's fair to say that even though a city like Nashville or Tampa might have more people than Ottawa on the whole, there are more potential customers for a professional hockey team in Ottawa.
And as for the 'Hipbase Forum hate,' the majority of it is coming from fans of Ottawa's division rivals, so it really shouldn't be that hard to understand.
grimes Wrote:Well that should still be included in capacity, there's obviously a maximum number of those tickets that are available for sale. This is by no means an Ottawa complaint, the same thing goes on in Toronto.
Well, we can agree on one thing. It really lacks logic of any kind, because the potential amount of 'standing room' seating varies from game to game.
grimes Wrote:The only flaw in using total population to compare market size between Ottawa and some of the small markets south of the border is that Ottawa is in Canada, where hockey is much more a part of the culture. It think it's fair to say that even though a city like Nashville or Tampa might have more people than Ottawa on the whole, there are more potential customers for a professional hockey team in Ottawa.
I am not questioning the superior hockey culture in Canada. It's quite evident. All that I am providing is that Ottawa has outdrawn Vancouver, Edmonton, and Calgary for the better part of the last six season (although Calgary has certainly done quite well the last two seasons). So, given that Ottawa is (realistically) the smallest NHL market, and by default, the smallest NHL market in Canada, questioning the attendance figures makes little sense to me, especially given the difficulties the team is predisposed to.
grimes Wrote:And as for the 'Hipbase Forum hate,' the majority of it is coming from fans of Ottawa's division rivals, so it really shouldn't be that hard to understand.
I suppose, but there was an alarming lack of response from Sabres/Anti-Sens fans tonight... I was expecting more lively activity...
LizardKing51 Wrote:cochise Wrote:john cage Wrote:The Cup hasn't been won by a Canadian team in what, 73 years? It's about time.
Montreal Canadiens 1992/1993 series, against the L.A. Kings, swept the series in 4. But any leafs fan worth his weight in salt would agree that the Leafs should have been in there, not the Kings...........damn Gretzky, damn high stick........but I digress.......
It has only been 14 years, but I believe this is the longest drought without a Canadian team winning a cup ever..........
Just for accuracy's sake, Montreal won that series in 5 games. GO HABS GO!!
:thumb:
about the 93 final -- Kings fans have been heard to say..................damn Mcsorley, damn illegal stick................good call Jacques (or Carbo)
laliber Wrote:LizardKing51 Wrote:cochise Wrote:john cage Wrote:The Cup hasn't been won by a Canadian team in what, 73 years? It's about time.
Montreal Canadiens 1992/1993 series, against the L.A. Kings, swept the series in 4. But any leafs fan worth his weight in salt would agree that the Leafs should have been in there, not the Kings...........damn Gretzky, damn high stick........but I digress.......
It has only been 14 years, but I believe this is the longest drought without a Canadian team winning a cup ever..........
Just for accuracy's sake, Montreal won that series in 5 games. GO HABS GO!!
:thumb:
about the 93 final -- Kings fans have been heard to say..................damn Mcsorley, damn illegal stick................good call Jacques (or Carbo)
Best fight of the series, when Mcsorley took out Gilmour with his head down and Clarke didn't even miss a stride coming in, taking off the gloves on McSorley........... :thumb:
cochise Wrote:Best fight of the series, when Mcsorley took out Gilmour with his head down and Clarke didn't even miss a stride coming in, taking off the gloves on McSorley........... :thumb:
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