[Problem Bear]

Which Hip songs do you think have had their impact blunted because of where they were in the track listing?

It's less of an issue now because of iPods and such, but there are a few songs that it took me a while to appreciate because of where they were on albums. Specifically, Are We Family gets lost a bit in between Copenhagen and Joe, while Music@Work wheezes to such an overlong end that I had to hear The Bear separately to realize was a great, moody, night-time driving sort of song it is.

By the way, I think DFN has the best track order - it's so coherent, and my favourite tracks are perfectly spaced (1, 4, 7, 10, 12). However, I don't care for the track order of IVL (the three best songs are on the last four tracks) or IBE (I like the whole disc, but my least favourite songs are the first six, save for Gus.)

Anyway, just my two cents. It must be a tricky thing to decide upon. I've seen other posts on this site complaining about where The Rules is on Phantom Power, and others lauding the one-song feel of DFN.

Any other thoughts?

Cheers,
John

[lilbones]

No matter where they put The Rules on Phantom Power, it would've been a problem with me.

[chicagoblackhawks77]

No matter where they put The Rules on Phantom Power, it would've been a problem with me.

Here here! This song mars an otherwise brilliant album!!!

[Tthip]

Sticking Emperor Penguin on the end of the disk was just wrong.

[chicagoblackhawks77]

Sticking Emperor Penguin on the end of the disk was just wrong.

I disagree with that. I think it's a great song that is in the proper place. Awesome way to end the album. A laid back tune, but not with out that kick ass middle section: "Don't sound so detached, this is you and me. Just give me your opinion before you turn to leave..... Don't wipe your asses with your sleeves." Awesome!

[Tthip]

I just think Penguin would have been a huge fan favorite, if it was not stuck on the end.
And I mean regular fans unlike us fanatics here on Hipbase.
People get bored with a CD and change it before the end - or they are driving around and hear half a disk - then when they get back in the car they want something else.
Or at a party - people get tired of the same bands and try to play DJ by changing albums every song or three.
I just think more people would have heard it and appreciated it way earlier on the album.

[chicagoblackhawks77]

I just think Penguin would have been a huge fan favorite, if it was not stuck on the end.
And I mean regular fans unlike us fanatics here on Hipbase.
People get bored with a CD and change it before the end - or they are driving around and hear half a disk - then when they get back in the car they want something else.
Or at a party - people get tired of the same bands and try to play DJ by changing albums every song or three.
I just think more people would have heard it and appreciated it way earlier on the album.

I hear you man, but I still think the tempo and the subject matter warant its 12th song placement.

[chicagoblackhawks77]

Tiger the Lion. I HATE this song. The only hip song I dislike so intensely. What do you guys think?

[chicagoblackhawks77]

Tiger the Lion. I HATE this song. The only hip song I dislike so intensely. No place on Music at all would have made it any better. What do you guys think?

[FighterAndLover]

No matter where they put The Rules on Phantom Power, it would've been a problem with me.

Here here! This song mars an otherwise brilliant album!!!

I didn't really like this song, either- now I think it's awesome. Lyrically, I think it's one of the best on the album.

Salesman said this vacuum's guaranteed.
It could suck an ancient virus from the sea.
It could put the dog out of a job.
Could make traffic stop so little thoughts could safely get across.

Edit: Tiger The Lion definitely isn't one of their best songs, but I think the opening riff is so mysteriously addictive. Also pretty lyrically sound.

[chicagoblackhawks77]

No matter where they put The Rules on Phantom Power, it would've been a problem with me.

Here here! This song mars an otherwise brilliant album!!!

I didn't really like this song, either- now I think it's awesome. Lyrically, I think it's one of the best on the album.

Salesman said this vacuum's guaranteed.
It could suck an ancient virus from the sea.
It could put the dog out of a job.
Could make traffic stop so little thoughts could safely get across.

You make an excellent point regarding the lyrics. The song is just so ho-hum and whiny though.

[Lizard King]

Ive always said that Opiated, Another Midnight and Everytime You Go get lost in the greatness of NOIS, Blow, 38YRS and Boots. The album is solid from top to bottom but the popularity of those songs overshadow the others. But if someone hasn't heard them by now, they probably dont like the Hip anyway.

[maguire]

I love tiger the lion, It's something that half grew on me. The most misplaced song to me would have to be coconut cream on tath, it just seems awkward.

[Killer Whale Tank]

I always thought 'The Wherewithal' got a bit overlooked, coming after 'Wheat Kings' and being second-last on an album that lacks a show-stopping closer (not to say that 'Eldorado' isn't great, just that the mysterious 'casual fan' is more likely to stop at Wheat Kings).

[Wheat_King]

Being it that "I'll Beleive in You" is one of my favorite Hip songs, I think that it got screwed over by being sandwhiched between "Blow at High Dough" and "New Orleans is Sinking"