[The Heron Outside]

Hey all-
I've gotten on the fotopic bandwagon, posted pics from a few shows I've been to over the years. None of these were taken with a digital, so the quality varies, but Cleveland, London and Darien aren't too shabby. Let me know what you think...

kloke.fotopic.net

[chris]

Great stuff Josh! Thanks for sharing.

[Stephen Dame]

None of these were taken with a digital, so the quality varies,

kloke.fotopic.net

That's a very, very GOOD thing. It actually brings the quality up. Nice stuff.

Thanks for posting.

[vicariousmartyr]

None of these were taken with a digital, so the quality varies,

kloke.fotopic.net

That's a very, very GOOD thing. It actually brings the quality up. Nice stuff.

Thanks for posting.

Not necessarily. Its a point and shoot.

[Stephen Dame]

None of these were taken with a digital, so the quality varies,

kloke.fotopic.net

That's a very, very GOOD thing. It actually brings the quality up. Nice stuff.

Thanks for posting.

Not necessarily. Its a point and shoot.

Ah... that does make a difference, but still decent work.

[trevor]

Excellent Work Josh!

Nice to see some different angles from shows that I was at and of course some pics from shows I wasn't!

[The Heron Outside]

Still debating whether or not to invest in a digital camera. There's something about the thrill of waiting to get your memories back in a little packet that's still pretty enticing. But as you can see, it would have helped on a bunch of the shots.

[vicariousmartyr]

Still debating whether or not to invest in a digital camera. There's something about the thrill of waiting to get your memories back in a little packet that's still pretty enticing. But as you can see, it would have helped on a bunch of the shots.

Yeah, it all depends...digi cams are great and all, and VERY convenient, but...they're no fun. They're all about NOW. Instant results. I view digital cameras as more, say utilitarian; they're very practical, 'scientific' even. Film however (we're talking SLR's) has an aesthetic to it....its more...'romantic', I guess you could say.

Im about SLR's, personally. You have absolute creative control over what your shooting. You can take a great picture, and be proud of it because you CREATED it. It wasnt a fluke. So much more satisfying.

They're not nearly as convenient, I know, there've been many a time where I wished I had a digital. But they're so worth it. And like you said, theres something about the thrill of carrying around that little cylinder of moments that you captured, the anticipation of getting it developed.

[chris]

You can always get a digital SLR. And in some cases, you can swap the digital-back for a film-back whenever you want. But these carry a heavier price tag than the "point-and-shoot" digitals.

[Stephen Dame]

You can always get a digital SLR. And in some cases, you can swap the digital-back for a film-back whenever you want. But these carry a heavier price tag than the "point-and-shoot" digitals.

The good ones, the manual capable digital SLR's (And if it's not manual, then no matter how expenive it is: it's a point and shoot.) are running at $30,000. So, it's not that easy yet.

I think your best bet for quality shots at Hip shows, especially given the new setup, is an SLR, telephoto lens, 400 ISO pushed to 800, and a bit of luck. One of the best ever told me: "Kid, they can only put one shot on the front page, so shoot like mad and hope art happens."

[chris]

The good ones, the manual capable digital SLR's (And if it's not manual, then no matter how expenive it is: it's a point and shoot.) are running at $30,000. So, it's not that easy yet.

Stephen... I think your figures are quite high.

Digital SLR's are available for anywhere from about $1000 and up. Check out the selections that Henry's carry.

[Stephen Dame]

The good ones, the manual capable digital SLR's (And if it's not manual, then no matter how expenive it is: it's a point and shoot.) are running at $30,000. So, it's not that easy yet.

Stephen... I think your figures are quite high.

Digital SLR's are available for anywhere from about $1000 and up. Check out the selections that Henry's carry.

Right. But they'e not manual, they may have "manual functions" (Which is like saying SPAM is "Beef-Like) Not the genuine article.

But Henry's is THE spot for camera stuff, the super-store in T.O. is one of my favourite stops whenever I get home.

[chris]

Right. But they'e not manual, they may have "manual functions" (Which is like saying SPAM is "Beef-Like) Not the genuine article.

But Henry's is THE spot for camera stuff, the super-store in T.O. is one of my favourite stops whenever I get home.

Enlighten me then; what is it that film-based SLRs offer, and digital don't?

[Stephen Dame]

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Enlighten me then; what is it that film-based SLRs offer, and digital don't?

Tons. Like the difference between a Caddilac and a Chevette. They're both cars right?

Quality, Versatility, the ability to manipulate light and burn film at levels of your choosing (Which is after all: photography... that's why the difference in terms; Digital produces "pics," only a film camera will give you a "photograph.") I'm on the way out and will be away from this here box till Wednesday, so maybe VM can handle this further... but basically: it's art. Any computer can print you a perfect looking Picasso... but only one guy can use his hands and eyes to make that image.

I know, pretenious, but I'm rushing, but that's it essentially.

Manual camera's are like baseball bats, technology hasn't changed in 100 years, but technique and skill HAVE... dramatically. New tech can't compete. It's all about the person behind the lens, not the wires behind the chip. Digital robs you of the ability to manually make choices that always relate to art... but sometimes are required for a proper exposure. A stage light shinning in the lens for example: Digital or automatic thinks "It's really bright in here!" and underexposes giving you a dark and grainy shot... a human can of course adjust when needed.

A comparison of a digital and a film shot is probably the best way to explain it. Simply put, it's: Quality. That's the big difference... like NTSC and HDTV... except in this case, it's the one WITH the pixels that'll always give you the crummier image... okay, I'm out of anaologies

My Dad brought home a pamphlet from this years CES with a Nikon Manual-Digital-SLR, professional, with interchangable lenses... I was jacked until I saw the price. 24K US... So, I'll stick to my good 'ol '93 Nikon... she's been very good to me.

[vicariousmartyr]

You pretty much nailed it.