[eric_c]

Did you guys read about this!? A massacre was narrowly avoided in Toronto by a dog.

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/stor.../National/

[kari]

Read what? Read what? Nothing there to read...please repost.

[farmerdan]

see if this link works

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whoever said cats were better than dogs!

[eric_c]

Fixed the link.

[dyersbay]

Yeah how scary! The guy is nut's that's for sure! For some odd reason though I kindof feel sad for him..he must have had a pretty tough life to where a dog can change his mind about a shooting rampage. hock:

[]V[ANTIS]

i wonder what he ahd against torontonians?? It couldnt have been that TO people simply arent nice cratch:

[MikeS]

And on a somewhat related front:

Convict's mother warns Brampton
'He will kill': Man who aspires to be Bernardo will live in Peel Region: police
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I could go into my "Liberals are rediculously soft on crime" speech, but I guess if the majority of people don't have a problem with these folks being reintroduced to our communities, what can you do? :roll:

M.

[hipkid33]

What gets me is that he is facing six to eight weapons charges, only having to do with storage and transportation. The guns were all legal. The article mentions he is mentally ill, yet no mention if he will be hospitalized. Will he just serve his time and be released in a month or so to carry out his rampage? hock: cratch: Do you feel safe? I'm sure there is more to come.

[Stephen Dame]

And on a somewhat related front:

Convict's mother warns Brampton
'He will kill': Man who aspires to be Bernardo will live in Peel Region: police
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I could go into my "Liberals are rediculously soft on crime" speech, but I guess if the majority of people don't have a problem with these folks being reintroduced to our communities, what can you do? :roll:

M.

I could go into my "Conservatives are clueless on crime and rehabilitation... the death penalty does NOT work, and polorizing is just plain ignorant" speech, but I guess if the majority of people want to make this a partisan issue and ignore the fact that this has nothing to do with party's or politics and everything to do with two mentally ill individuals who need to be dealt with individually, what can you do? :roll:

[MikeS]

And on a somewhat related front:

Convict's mother warns Brampton
'He will kill': Man who aspires to be Bernardo will live in Peel Region: police
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I could go into my "Liberals are rediculously soft on crime" speech, but I guess if the majority of people don't have a problem with these folks being reintroduced to our communities, what can you do? :roll:

M.

I could go into my "Conservatives are clueless on crime and rehabilitation... the death penalty does NOT work, and polorizing is just plain ignorant" speech, but I guess if the majority of people want to make this a partisan issue and ignore the fact that this has nothing to do with party's or politics and everything to do with two mentally ill individuals who need to be dealt with individually, what can you do? :roll:

Touche Stephen...touche...Mr. Left, meet Mr. Right... :wink:

You're 100% correct when you say they need to be dealt with individually...unfortunately, with stories like this becoming more frequent, it's clear the laws of the land as they exist today don't adequately service this need, and THAT'S where politics (partisan or otherwise) enters the fray...

BTW...I never mentioned anything about the death penalty...you're making a gigantic assumptive leap with that one...

[farmerdan]

Convict's mother warns Brampton
'He will kill':

GREAT!! THATS JUST WHAT WE NEED!!!

well at least she's warning us first

[Stephen Dame]

:

Touche Stephen...touche...Mr. Left, meet Mr. Right... :wink:

You're 100% correct when you say they need to be dealt with individually...unfortunately, with stories like this becoming more frequent, it's clear the laws of the land as they exist today don't adequately service this need, and THAT'S where politics (partisan or otherwise) enters the fray...

BTW...I never mentioned anything about the death penalty...you're making a gigantic assumptive leap with that one...

Am I? Assuming: yes. "Gigantic leap?" Be honest now, I don't think so.

It usually follows quite quickly in this type of debate, I think it's a reasonable assumption. Plus it's no more of a "leap" than all Liberals are "soft on crime." But, point taken.

And these stories are not becoming more frequent. It may seem that way because of the "if it bleeds it leads" media, (Of which I'm a member, and guilty as charged) but crime numbers are down across the board. Canada has among the lowest recidivism rates in the world.

There have been and always will be nuts. Getting "tough on crime" sounds nice, but it doesn't address causes, cures or culpability for whack-jobs like these guys.

Obviously, "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" 'aint the answer, nor are country clubs and scented candles.

I say, the current trend in the United States is charting the course. It's a social phenomenon that seems to be informing the very fabric of their society and can only help to better ours. That's right... it's time... for one giant game of Convict Dodgeball. Losers get the hole, winners go free. Dodgeball is the answer to all of our problems!

[VioletlightHeron]

Am I? Assuming: yes. "Gigantic leap?" Be honest now, I don't think so.

It usually follows quite quickly in this type of debate, I think it's a reasonable assumption. Plus it's no more of a "leap" than all Liberals are "soft on crime." But, point taken.

And these stories are not becoming more frequent. It may seem that way because of the "if it bleeds it leads" media, (Of which I'm a member, and guilty as charged) but crime numbers are down across the board. Canada has among the lowest recidivism rates in the world.

There have been and always will be nuts. Getting "tough on crime" sounds nice, but it doesn't address causes, cures or culpability for whack-jobs like these guys.

Obviously, "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out" 'aint the answer, nor are country clubs and scented candles.

I say, the current trend in the United States is charting the course. It's a social phenomenon that seems to be informing the very fabric of their society and can only help to better ours. That's right... it's time... for one giant game of Convict Dodgeball. Losers get the hole, winners go free. Dodgeball is the answer to all of our problems!

Dodgeball? You seem to forget Stephen, that the rules and regulations of both the American and Canadian legal system were purposely created this way to create some of the problems that we see today. Yet it is a price most people are willing to pay when faced with a "kill em all and let God sort them out" system. The thing that outrages the populace is when some of the more liberal judges, politicians and mental health counselors screw up and release people who are clearly unfit to live in normal society. That is what creates the demand for "tough on crime" movement. "tough on crime" isnt what is needed, more accountability for judges and politicians and more transparency in informing the populace when potential re-offenders are scheduled for release.

[MikeS]

Actually two words ought to clarify my position on the death penalty: David Milgaard.

By more frequent, I was referring specifically to how closely this case follows up the well-publicized Douglas Moore killings here in the GTA...to me, that's two cases too many...But you're right of course, the media does it's best to jack up the fear factor (the nightly newscasts usually leading with their "slays of the day")... :roll:

Convict Dodgeball, eh? Now you're talking!...kind of a "Running Man" thing... :lol:

[Stephen Dame]

See, the both of you are mssing the point.

Dodgeball doesn't just weed out the weak from the strong, it also brings us together as a people. Black, white, rich, poor, dodgeball is what the legal system can only hope to be: the ultimate equalizer of society.

Nothing says "justice" like a poorly inflated utility ball.