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All Music.com review of WATS
#1

Finally, almost two months after WATS was released (if the Hip were some NYC-based flavor of the month hipster band, the review would have been posted immediately), All Music.com has published a review of the album (by fairly respected music journalist Jeff Tamarkin). Predictably, it's fairly negative. Here you go:

"Initial reaction to We Are the Same among longtime fans seemed to range, according to chit-chat on various blogs, from halting acceptance to outraged disdain. There is no denying that the latest from this now 26-year-old Canadian band bears little resemblance to the rawer, rootsier sound of the Hip's earliest works. But it's by no means a radical departure from 2006's World Container; it's more of an incremental step toward something less distinctive and more universally appealing in a commercial sense. Producer Bob Rock (Metallica, Mötley Crüe), who also took the reins for that last album, returns here on the band's 12th studio effort, applying a polish to these generic arrangements of largely uninspired lyrics and hackneyed tunes that undeniably takes the Hip closer to a mainstream — or, rather, an edge-free, knuckle-dragging — pop/rock sound. Some might call it a bloated overproduction and leave it at that, but the malaise is deeper than over-ambition, approaching something closer to creative bankruptcy. Perhaps it shouldn't be so surprising that, after so long in the game, the Hip might harbor a desire for greater recognition and choose a producer who can deliver what's been elusive all these years. And at isolated moments the drive to reinvent as something more Walmart-friendly succeeds: while there is a definite softer edge to most of these tracks, and an overall tameness, although that's not to say that theTragically Hip has abandoned everything that's identified them until now. Paul Langlois' and Rob Baker's guitars still scream and shout, or glimmer and shine, when required to, the rhythm section, bassist Gord Sinclair and drummer Johnny Fay, can kick up dust when given a chance, and Gordon Downie, when he's not over-emoting, still delivers his words convincingly and with emotion. The problem is more with the songs themselves and the gloss within which they are bathed: there is a derivativeness to much of the record, and a silliness to the fancy-pants settings they are given (strings abound, ballads plod, layers of unnecessary window dressing are added), a feeling that too many of these tunes were created with the sole desire to find a larger audience rather than to reflect what Downie and the band are really about after so much time together. It opens with a promising enough country-rocker, "Morning Moon," that would, in a more just world, be a huge hit single. And "Coffee Girl" too, with its bold, tasty trumpet, is the kind of perfectly crafted gem these guys have time and again proven they can turn out. But it quickly descends into pretense and earnestness with the back-to-back treacly "Now the Struggle Has a Name" and the nine-and-a-half-minute "The Depression Suite." With its oft-repeated tag line "Don't you wanna see how it ends?" the epic only has the undesired effect of causing the listener to say, "No, I don't, just end it already." From there, it stays in an abyss, as songs like "Love Is a First" (the first single), despite an attempt at rhythmic punch, and "Speed River" fail to drag the album back from the pit of mediocrity it's plunged into. At this point in their career the Tragically Hip should be making grander, more honest statements than this. We Are the Same is obviously meant to resurrect the band's fortunes rather than to further their artistry. Whether it does or doesn't find what it's seeking, its main accomplishment is that it drives the Tragically Hip closer to irrelevancy. And that's tragic."
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#2

I agree with all of that except the parts in English.

(If I was being honest, I would say that below the obvious disdain, there is a lot of fair comment if you are writing from a predisposition of disliking the Hip)

ct
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#3

I still don't understand why the "tameness" and "gloss" (his words) of WATS automatically translates to "mediocrity", disingenuousness, and an attempt to achieve "universal appeal".

Again, without a higher level of explanation as to why he (like many other critics) arrives at that particular conclusion, it smacks of a stubborn close-mindendness, and an inability to concede the fact that a band might progress beyond its "f*ck yeah!" fist-pumping roots in rock music.
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#4

I truly don't think this album is a stab at the mainstream as he suggests. If it was, I certainlly don't think The Depression Suite would be 9+ min long, or the opening song would be a mellow alt/country tune..... I think he does make a few valid points and everything said there is his opinion but I do challenge him on the fact that the blogs/forums are a little wider ranging than he says..... I think some fans like this album tremendously and some don't at all... both ends of the spectrum
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#5

Well, my 4 year old daughter would disagree...she loves Speed River...we sing the chorus 20 times a day.

Felt like I was reading the typical Rush review...why so negative? Why so personal? Really, they have progressed from their more raw, rootsier sounding albums? How awful (sarcasm)!

How someone can not feel the emotion in the line "Don't you want to see how it ends" is beyond me...besides the great "hook" it provides in the way Gordon sings it...I give up!
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#6

Chris Tanz Wrote:I agree with all of that except the parts in English.

(If I was being honest, I would say that below the obvious disdain, there is a lot of fair comment if you are writing from a predisposition of disliking the Hip)

ct

I completely disagree. To me, it sounds like the writer clearly LIKES the band very much and was just giving his honest opinion on the new album.

Basically, what you guys are saying is that unless a reviewer calls WATS a fantastic album, he is clearly a hater of the band. I don't get it. :roll:

The only closed minded people I see are Hip fans, to be honest. There was nothing closed minded about this review at all,IMO.
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#7

"We Are the Same is obviously meant to resurrect the band's fortunes rather than to further their artistry. Whether it does or doesn't find what it's seeking, its main accomplishment is that it drives the Tragically Hip closer to irrelevancy. And that's tragic."


That's just a stupid f'en statement to finish off a snide and obviously biased review. His entire tone is "Don't get me wrong I like The Hip BUT...". Statements like "Wallmart friendly" and "creative bankruptcy" prove this prick has an ax to grind and deserves to be bitch slapped. :rambo:

I don't care if he dislike the album, a lot of Hip fans and critics don't like the album, my beef is with his punk ass insults.
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#8

cortezthekiller Wrote:Basically, what you guys are saying is that unless a reviewer calls WATS a fantastic album, he is clearly a hater of the band. I don't get it. :roll:

Bang on. That's what we're saying. No middle ground. No nuance.

Re closed mindedness: personally, after I was done with my hyperbole about not liking the English parts, I wrote that the guy did make some fair points.

NegPhil highlights some of the reasons why I thought it was fair to state that this guy obviously dislikes the Hip.

Finally, the line about the "sole desire to create songs that target a larger audience" absolutely kills me -- does anyone really think that singing for nine minutes about Northern Alberta or a song with a hook about farming and hens clucking or a first single that is absolutely bonkers and buries most of its poetry under a wash of music is really about targeting larger audiences and not about the Hip doing exactly what they want to be doing after 20+ years? It's ludicrous.

ct
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#9

IMO this is a fair review, I don't agree with many of his points, but one can hardly characterize it as unfair or biased. We've all read many parallel criticisms on the Hipbase form presumably long time fans. I’m perfectly comfortable in my adoration of the body of work from this band, and more specifically the brilliance of WATS. These songs will be with me forever, and that doesn't make me a great audience, but it does make the Hip a great band. Bring on the critics! :lol:

"we've only got three hundred feet to go ..."
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#10

Wow, that is by far the most negative review I've read of WATS. And yet the guy still gives it 3 stars. Weird.
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#11

The Horrible Esthete Wrote:I still don't understand why the "tameness" and "gloss" (his words) of WATS automatically translates to "mediocrity", disingenuousness, and an attempt to achieve "universal appeal".

Again, without a higher level of explanation as to why he (like many other critics) arrives at that particular conclusion, it smacks of a stubborn close-mindendness, and an inability to concede the fact that a band might progress beyond its "f*ck yeah!" fist-pumping roots in rock music.

Well said. I couldn't agree more.

:thumb:
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#12

I think it's a pretty good review; I couldn't agree more with his statement about mediocre song writing, but I think he goes to far in thinking that the Hip are selling out. I get the over-production issues, but really, thinking that the Hip are trying to reach out to WalMart is a bit much. Do some research, read some interviews about why these guys work with Bob Rock (or just go to their website, spend 20 minutes watching the 4 bathhouse videos) and you'll understand why they work with him. I just hope they don't work with him anymore. Big Grin
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#13

I could defnitely see how he says it's glossed up and made to appear grander than it is though...

I think this album would be fantastic without it's overlayered sound. Honestly, on some songs it works but majority of the album is quite heavily layered. I think "Honey, Please" could really be a great song (I actually like it, but really is a bit too pop'ish for my taste). The Last Recluse was stripped down compared to most of the singles and I happen to believe that is their best song on WATS.

I also believe that out of how many songs (like 36 or something) out of what the Hip had in which they could have placed on the album, the fact that they chose "Now That Struggle Has A Name" was an awful decision.

I think a part that I missed from this album that I loved about their other albums is the fact that Johnny Fay couldn't hit us with the beats we know he can bang out. It's too mellow. And when they were posting their Bathouse videos, Johnny looked like he was killing it on the drums and none of those beats I could recognize on them. They were simple kick, snare, kick, snare, kick, snare, kick, crash beats. Kind of stole the fun out of the album because there isn't really any cool riffs guitar-wise in the songs besides perhaps the intro to Morning Moon and Frozen in my Tracks.

I really liked the album after a few listens as it grew on me.

But as for a lasting impression it's kind of shaky. I'm resorting back to songs like Emperor Penguin, Escape is at Hand, Pigeon Camera and Three Pistols.

You really can't get enough of Three Pistols...
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#14

I dont have a problem with any of the songs in any way. I dont hear any overproduction or to many strings or uninspired lyrics. What I hear is a Tragically Hip album done they way they have always done it. Each song sounds different to me in that they could all appear on any previous album so I dont really see a departure in any way.
Some of the things I read from this reviewer did hit me as kind of insulting for no other reason that he has to write a review and mabey does not like this album very much for whatever reason he has.
There is no set Tragically Hip sound that they have to stay confined to. Its all experimental music in the end as they are inventing every song as they go along.
I dont know why critics write about stuff they dont like. Thats like me doing a review on American beer. Ya know its gonna suck.
Reviewers should review the alubms they like and tell us why.
If I reviewed a Hip Hop band album or a Rap album im sure the review would not be so favourable as if I reviewed something I enjoyed more.
So my point is this guy is a prick for listening to the album and then saying crap about it.
I was brought up that if you dont have anything good to say dont say anything at all.
I dont really believe that in life in general but when it comes to reviewing and judgeing other work or creativity I sure do believe it.
So this guy can go suck the sweat off my left nut.
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#15

To me, this review represents the generally smug attitude towards the Hip that I read from a lot of non-Canadian music critics (i.e. critics who haven't followed the band's career/music and can't be bothered). Ultimately, who gives a damn what these people think, but it is still annoying. Sure, Tamarkin is definitely within his right not to like the album, but his tone doesn't set with me too well.
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