[tommygunn]

Gordie Howie is revered for such things.

Let's show our reverence by spelling his name correctly.. it's Howe.

[Lizard King]

You'd think getting busted twice in a couple weeks he would have gotten more than 1 game, the guy is a repeat offender, what message does that send?

How is he a repeat offender?!?

Lets see he elbowed Holmstrom, than elbowed McAmmond, thats two offences in two weeks. More than one makes him a repeat offender, who cares if it was different players from different teams? What kind of stupid thinking is that, if Chris Simon had two-handed 4 different players across the head all season long, wouldnt you call him a repeat offender? I would. Just cause its a different player from a different city how does it make it any different? cratch:

I'm thinking Tanz's post is dripping with sarcasm.......

I hope so.. :lol:

[tigerthelion]

Entertaining first 2 periods tonight in Ottawa, hopefully the Sens can hold onto the lead.
Although i'm glad it counted, I can't help but wonder how the Daniel Alfredsson goal counted, yet the Karel Rachunek goal was disallowed in round 2 against Buffalo.

Here's your explanation, Ryan. It further shows just how incompetent and inconsistent (and possibly biased) the NHL is when it comes to calls like this.

Campbell believed that while Alfredsson did direct the puck toward the goal with his foot, he didn't use a "distinct kicking motion" on the play.

On that very similar play during Game 3 of the second-round series between the Rangers and Sabres, Campbell and Co. overruled an on-ice "goal" call on a play involving Rachunek.

An official in the Toronto war room explained that decision to the New York Daily News, saying Rachunek directed the puck into the net with his skate and a "distinct kicking motion" wasn't the sole standard in ruling on such plays.

So, the "distinct kicking motion" rule only applies for certain players I guess. :roll:

Also, what is suspicious is why so many Senator's fans are quiet about Neil and his dirty plays last night. One play he took about 10 strides (charging), got his hands up, (roughing) and went after Macdonald's head. I don't understand that just because Macdonald wasn't laying on the ice after, there was no punishment for Neil. Oh well, it is what it is. Neil is quoted as saying that Pronger is "known for that" and should be suspended. That's more than a little funny coming from a guy who has already backed down from several physical challenges this series, deliberately tried to injure Chris Drury earlier in the season and last night deliberately tried to injure one of Anaheim's top scorers.

[tigerthelion]

Just something to think about, from an unbiased observer (not me and not an Ottawa fan or Anaheim fan ):

Based on the NHL's current rules and previous precedent, I disagree with the league's decision to suspend Pronger for Game 4 of the Stanley Cup finals. While speaking with the media after making the decision, Colin Campbell, the NHL's senior vice president of hockey operations, admitted that Pronger would not have been subject to supplemental discipline if Senators forward Dean McAmmond not been injured on the play. To me, that doesn't add up. If the league wants to take hits to the head out of the game, players need to be penalized on each occasion it happens, not just when someone gets hurt.

In Game 3, there were several instances when one player hit another in the head with an elbow or forearm, yet there was no penalty called and no supplementary discipline. Anaheim GM Brian Burke, who unhappily accepted the league's decision, believed Senators forward Chris Neil should have been subject to a supplementary hearing for his high hit on Ducks center Andy McDonald. During the game, at the moment of the hit, I believe Neil deserved a charging or elbowing penalty for his play, which there was no call on.

I believe Pronger clearly extended his forearm and elbow to impede McAmmond, who had ducked down in an effort to avoid contact and move around the Anaheim defender. Pronger clearly deserved a penalty, perhaps a five-minute major, but I don't think the play called for supplementary discipline. In my mind, this hit was far different than the one Pronger put on Wings forward Tomas Holmstrom in Game 3 of the Western Conference finals. In that case, I believe there was premeditation. In that case, he deserved and received a suspension. This time, I think Pronger might be paying a price for his past sins.

[second_sight_kyle]

Just something to think about, from an unbiased observer (not me and not an Ottawa fan or Anaheim fan )

We've been over this, biases don't have to work in one direction. An anti-Ottawa bias is no more credible than a pro-Ottawa bias. And just for that, I'm not gonna read anything in bold.

[Lizard King]

I'm not gonna read anything in bold.

Everyone type in bold from now on

[opiated]

pronger's a douche, the refs were shit again, as was the commentating...i'm not watching anymore games...in the immortal words of Chris..

"i'm done"

The refs were shit for which team? If you think they screwed Ottawa, you're sadly mistaken.

Pronger will go down as one of the all time great defenseman in the history of the NHL. :rambo:

I don't blame you though, as far as not watching. Greg Millen's blatant Ottawa bias if enough to stop watching. :rambo: Or his lack of any coherent thought.....or his lack of ability to call a game in general....or his overall stupidity in general.

they didn't screw Ottawa..not at all.they're just shit overall..the NHL is a joke..plain and simple..out of the "major" sports, it is by far the biggest laughing stock, and it makes me sad..
and tiger..your "rambo" routine is getting old...fast

[northern wave]

Gordie Howie is revered for such things.

Let's show our reverence by spelling his name correctly.. it's Howe.

oops, damn typos...that's embarassing!

[j-monster]

Entertaining first 2 periods tonight in Ottawa, hopefully the Sens can hold onto the lead.
Although i'm glad it counted, I can't help but wonder how the Daniel Alfredsson goal counted, yet the Karel Rachunek goal was disallowed in round 2 against Buffalo.

Here's your explanation, Ryan. It further shows just how incompetent and inconsistent (and possibly biased) the NHL is when it comes to calls like this.

Campbell believed that while Alfredsson did direct the puck toward the goal with his foot, he didn't use a "distinct kicking motion" on the play.

On that very similar play during Game 3 of the second-round series between the Rangers and Sabres, Campbell and Co. overruled an on-ice "goal" call on a play involving Rachunek.

An official in the Toronto war room explained that decision to the New York Daily News, saying Rachunek directed the puck into the net with his skate and a "distinct kicking motion" wasn't the sole standard in ruling on such plays.

So, the "distinct kicking motion" rule only applies for certain players I guess. :roll:

Also, what is suspicious is why so many Senator's fans are quiet about Neil and his dirty plays last night. One play he took about 10 strides (charging), got his hands up, (roughing) and went after Macdonald's head. I don't understand that just because Macdonald wasn't laying on the ice after, there was no punishment for Neil. Oh well, it is what it is. Neil is quoted as saying that Pronger is "known for that" and should be suspended. That's more than a little funny coming from a guy who has already backed down from several physical challenges this series, deliberately tried to injure Chris Drury earlier in the season and last night deliberately tried to injure one of Anaheim's top scorers.

Have to agree on one point with tiger here. Neil is a disgusting, dirty little f***. I didn't catch the original hit on Macdonald but saw the replay today... and the description is exactly as how tiger put it. If Pronger gets a game, so should Neil. Like I said before, Colin Campbell's job is the toughest in the NHL... but I have to call a spade a spade, this is a definite miss on his part.

[Chris Tanz]

You'd think getting busted twice in a couple weeks he would have gotten more than 1 game, the guy is a repeat offender, what message does that send?

How is he a repeat offender?!?

Lets see he elbowed Holmstrom, than elbowed McAmmond, thats two offences in two weeks. More than one makes him a repeat offender, who cares if it was different players from different teams? What kind of stupid thinking is that, if Chris Simon had two-handed 4 different players across the head all season long, wouldnt you call him a repeat offender? I would. Just cause its a different player from a different city how does it make it any different? cratch:

I'm thinking Tanz's post is dripping with sarcasm.......

I hope so.. :lol:

C'mon LizardKing, throw me a frickin' bone here. I thought that was some of my best stuff.

ct

[fingernailsonhull]

The rule is in fact a "distinct kicking motion." That is the exact wording of the rule. Anyone (from the NHL or otherwise) who said there were other determining factors is lying. You are allowed to direct the puck into the net with your skate so long as there is no distinct kicking motion.

[daylight]

I figure as long as you don't pick the puck up with your glove and throw it into the net, it should be a goal. As for the one from the other night, it looked fine to me. Stopping motion, not kicking motion.

[tigerthelion]

Just something to think about, from an unbiased observer (not me and not an Ottawa fan or Anaheim fan )

We've been over this, biases don't have to work in one direction. An anti-Ottawa bias is no more credible than a pro-Ottawa bias. And just for that, I'm not gonna read anything in bold.

Those aren't my words big dog. :thumb: If you think E.J. Hradak is a biased fan, then I feel sorry for you.

[tigerthelion]

The rule is in fact a "distinct kicking motion." That is the exact wording of the rule. Anyone (from the NHL or otherwise) who said there were other determining factors is lying. You are allowed to direct the puck into the net with your skate so long as there is no distinct kicking motion.

Alfredsson showed more of a kicking motion than Rachunek. So, why does one goal count and the other doesn't? What does that say, then, if an OFFICIAL WHO ACTUALLY takes part in making the calls, disagrees with you about the rule? I guess they aren't following the rulebook. Wow, that makes the NHL look good. :roll:

[tigerthelion]

pronger's a douche, the refs were shit again, as was the commentating...i'm not watching anymore games...in the immortal words of Chris..

"i'm done"

The refs were shit for which team? If you think they screwed Ottawa, you're sadly mistaken.

Pronger will go down as one of the all time great defenseman in the history of the NHL. :rambo:

I don't blame you though, as far as not watching. Greg Millen's blatant Ottawa bias if enough to stop watching. :rambo: Or his lack of any coherent thought.....or his lack of ability to call a game in general....or his overall stupidity in general.

they didn't screw Ottawa..not at all.they're just shit overall..the NHL is a joke..plain and simple..out of the "major" sports, it is by far the biggest laughing stock, and it makes me sad..
and tiger..your "rambo" routine is getting old...fast

Sorry, there aren't enough emoticons. :roll: I didn't know people paid so close attention to them. cratch:

The NBA is worse than the NHL for officiating but the NHL isn't far behind.