[cferneyh]

Whatever those Maple Leaf marketing people are doing, it surely works. Manufacturers of shit the world over should look to them as gods and emulate their methods.

Touche.

[jvjones]

Uh, yeah - being in market research, I do have data to back it up. In fact, I've got about a decade's worth. But since our clients pay for this information, I can't exactly post it here for free. :lol:

And yeah, you are right - the Habs do have the similar impact in other cities, but it's not even close.[/quote]

So based on the research, Leafs games should be shown on the early Saturday night broadcast, throughout western Canada, every week of the season, without exception....very nice. Can you look past the numbers for even a second and allow that maybe a little variety would be nice?

Just one more thought though, why did they switch last Saturday's game to the Pens and Habs? I'm guessing they didn't comission a new study to analyze the impact...and we know from your comments that the Habs popularity is "not even close" to the Leafs, so a few calls from Sidney Crosby fans surely wouldn't be enough to tip the scales. Here's a thought, maybe someone at the CBC used a little common sense, and said maybe it's time to allow for a break from the routine, and inject a little variety into their broadcasting...I hope so!

[jvjones]

Actually, the CBC's mandate is:
(l) the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, as the national public broadcaster, should provide radio and television services incorporating a wide range of programming that informs, enlightens and entertains;
[i]Wide range of programming? Nope, just the Leafs.

(m) the programming provided by the Corporation should

(i) be predominantly and distinctively Canadian,

(ii) reflect Canada and its regions to national and regional audiences, while serving the special needs of those regions,
Well...maybe reflect Toronto to national and regional audiences...

(iii) actively contribute to the flow and exchange of cultural expression,
Or not...

(iv) be in English and in French, reflecting the different needs and circumstances of each official language community, including the particular needs and circumstances of English and French linguistic minorities,

(v) strive to be of equivalent quality in English and in French,

(vi) contribute to shared national consciousness and identity,
Well let's concentrate on sharing one identity...

(vii) be made available throughout Canada by the most appropriate and efficient means and as resources become available for the purpose, and

(viii) reflect the multicultural and multiracial nature of Canada;
Or not...
[/i]

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[skippy the wonder dog]

Well, you know, if you want to berate the CBC and make a case that they're not fulfilling their mandate, then you might try taking the step of writing to, you know, the CBC.

Because carrying on a pointless argument with cfernyeh isn't really going to achieve much.

[cferneyh]

So based on the research, Leafs games should be shown on the early Saturday night broadcast, throughout western Canada, every week of the season, without exception....very nice. Can you look past the numbers for even a second and allow that maybe a little variety would be nice?

Just one more thought though, why did they switch last Saturday's game to the Pens and Habs? I'm guessing they didn't comission a new study to analyze the impact...and we know from your comments that the Habs popularity is "not even close" to the Leafs, so a few calls from Sidney Crosby fans surely wouldn't be enough to tip the scales. Here's a thought, maybe someone at the CBC used a little common sense, and said maybe it's time to allow for a break from the routine, and inject a little variety into their broadcasting...I hope so!

Dude, you seem to be confusing what you'd like to have happen, versus what makes the CBC more profitable. Let me boil it down to the lowest common denominator for you: for every person like you (sick of the Leafs, want to see someone else), there are at least two people the opposite of you (can't get enough of the Leafs). So if I'm in charge of making the broadcast schedule and I have to sell advertising space, do you think I can charge more if I know one person is going to watch, or if two people are going to watch?

And don't get me wrong - I understand your point of view....I'm just telling you why it is the way it is.

Hell, it's no different from why Mariah Carey gets played on more radio stations than the Hip. Sadly, those radio stations will attract more listeners with Ms. Carey than they would with the Hip. That's not what you want (I'm assuming), but hey, that's life.

Why did they switch during the broadcast? I'm fairly certain that they have numbers that show that at a certain score, some people lose interest in the game (knowing that the Leafs have won or lost, despite there being 20 minutes to play or whatever) and those people are likely turn to something other than hockey to watch, which in turn hurts the lead in numbers for the second game. Again, it's about keeping as many eyeballs glued to HNIC as possible.

[grimes]

Why did they switch during the broadcast? I'm fairly certain that they have numbers that show that at a certain score, some people lose interest in the game (knowing that the Leafs have won or lost, despite there being 20 minutes to play or whatever) and those people are likely turn to something other than hockey to watch, which in turn hurts the lead in numbers for the second game. Again, it's about keeping as many eyeballs glued to HNIC as possible.

Actually they made the switch before the game even started. When the pregame show started MacLean announced that Ontario (sans Ottawa) and Newfoundland would get the Leafs-Rangers, and Manitoba-west, plus Quebec and the maritimes would get the Habs-Penguins, which is contrary to their earlier plan. I suspect they did some last minute number crunching and figured that the appeal of a Habs game, coupled with the hightened interest of seeing that kid on the Pens that had 10 points the two previous games, was enough to be a bigger draw in the west than a Leafs-Rangers game.

[cferneyh]

Why did they switch during the broadcast? I'm fairly certain that they have numbers that show that at a certain score, some people lose interest in the game (knowing that the Leafs have won or lost, despite there being 20 minutes to play or whatever) and those people are likely turn to something other than hockey to watch, which in turn hurts the lead in numbers for the second game. Again, it's about keeping as many eyeballs glued to HNIC as possible.

Actually they made the switch before the game even started. When the pregame show started MacLean announced that Ontario (sans Ottawa) and Newfoundland would get the Leafs-Rangers, and Manitoba-west, plus Quebec and the maritimes would get the Habs-Penguins, which is contrary to their earlier plan. I suspect they did some last minute number crunching and figured that the appeal of a Habs game, coupled with the hightened interest of seeing that kid on the Pens that had 10 points the two previous games, was enough to be a bigger draw in the west than a Leafs-Rangers game.

Really?!?!? Cuz I live in Calgary, and I got the Leafs game......

[edit]Does this mean that the CBC HD channel that I get out here is the Toronto feed? Now that's weird.

[grimes]

That's correct, I believe CBC currently only has local HD channels in Vancouver, Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal. So if you live anywhere else you get CBC-HD Toronto. Other cities are being rolled out gradually. And usually, only one early game is presented in HD or SD widescreen, where as the others are SD 4:3. So even in Vancouver, they probably got the Leafs on CBC-HD, but would've had the Habs-Pens on regular CBC.

[jvjones]

Why did they switch during the broadcast? I'm fairly certain that they have numbers that show that at a certain score, some people lose interest in the game (knowing that the Leafs have won or lost, despite there being 20 minutes to play or whatever) and those people are likely turn to something other than hockey to watch, which in turn hurts the lead in numbers for the second game. Again, it's about keeping as many eyeballs glued to HNIC as possible.

Actually they made the switch before the game even started. When the pregame show started MacLean announced that Ontario (sans Ottawa) and Newfoundland would get the Leafs-Rangers, and Manitoba-west, plus Quebec and the maritimes would get the Habs-Penguins, which is contrary to their earlier plan. I suspect they did some last minute number crunching and figured that the appeal of a Habs game, coupled with the hightened interest of seeing that kid on the Pens that had 10 points the two previous games, was enough to be a bigger draw in the west than a Leafs-Rangers game.

Thank you Grimes, you're bang on! And Skippy, I agree it is time to move on. I will just continue to watch the Habs games on RDS, although not being a High Def channel makes it a little disappointing...but given the alternative of having to listen to Bob and Harry blather on, I'll go with the French commentating.

JJ

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[direwolf74]

I really HATE the Anaheim Ducks.

That is all.

[Matchek]

Habs in Buffalo tonight... What do you think - another shootout?
It's been really tight between the two this year...

[tth_fan]

Maybe the Habs will actually be able to pull this one off in regulation time...at least I hope they do. It would be nice to steal 2 points from the Sabres.

[laliber]

Habs in Buffalo tonight... What do you think - another shootout?
It's been really tight between the two this year...

The games have been tight - but the Sabs do have the Habs # thus far @ 3-0-1

[Matchek]

At least 3 of those went to a shootout, right? (or is it 2 s-o and 1 in OT...)
Sabs got both points 3 times ok, but those could have gone either way.

[jvjones]

At least 3 of those went to a shootout, right? (or is it 2 s-o and 1 in OT...)
Sabs got both points 3 times ok, but those could have gone either way.

Habs lost in a shootout twice, including the opening game of the season. They won in OT when Souray scored at 4:59. The other game was 4-1 Buffalo (with an empty netter), so the games have been very close.

Hopefully we can win before a shootout, Huet has been awesome the last month, but definitely seems to struggle in shootouts.