[Jenna_Bird]

(Ask poor Jenna. She's such a good sport! :thumb: )

:oops: I think the copious amounts of alcohol have something to do with my excitement and elevated mood.

Though, in all seriousness, Esthete knows his stuff and it is highly entertaining. The best part is hearing him mention things a full minute or so before any of the commentators think to bring up said anecdote/stat/observation.

-Jenna

[Jenna_Bird]

Well, this may very well add more fuel to the fire.

Schembechler dead at 77.

-Jenna

[robert goulet]

Well, this may very well add more fuel to the fire.

Schembechler dead at 77.

-Jenna

I have no idea who Bo Schembechler is but it sounds like he was a legendary coach...I guess that's the Canadian equivalent of Toe Blake or Punch Imlach dying.

Go Blue!!!! (is that even a slogan for Michigan?)

[Tthip]

Well, this may very well add more fuel to the fire.

Schembechler dead at 77.

-Jenna

Did you see the band scehduled to play tonight:
"The Best Damn Punk Band In The Land": The Dead Schembechlers.
They were formed in 1990.

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[The Horrible Esthete]

Bo Schembechler is one of college football's coaching legends. He is the greatest icon for University of Michigan football.

He grew up in Ohio, and was a protege of legendary OSU coach Woody Hayes.

Rest in peace, Bo. You will forever be respected, and remembered as a manwho did great things in and for college football.

[The Horrible Esthete]

[grimes]

As an impartial viewer, I gotta say that was one hell of a game. These two teams are definitely in a class by themselves and I can't see how there's any debate as to what the BCS title game should be now. What a joke to see that USC is ahead of Michigan in the coaches poll this week. Let's review the top one-loss teams:

Michigan lost by 3 at Ohio State
Notre Dame got beat handily by Michigan
Florida lost to a two-loss Auburn team
USC lost to unranked Oregon State
Arkansas got smoked by USC


Here's hoping the Irish can pull off a win at the coliseum this Saturday, and thereby pretty much guarantee an Ohio State-Michigan rematch for the national championship.

[The Horrible Esthete]

As an impartial viewer, I gotta say that was one hell of a game. These two teams are definitely in a class by themselves and I can't see how there's any debate as to what the BCS title game should be now. What a joke to see that USC is ahead of Michigan in the coaches poll this week. Let's review the top one-loss teams:

Michigan lost by 3 at Ohio State
Notre Dame got beat handily by Michigan
Florida lost to a two-loss Auburn team
USC lost to unranked Oregon State
Arkansas got smoked by USC


Here's hoping the Irish can pull off a win at the coliseum this Saturday, and thereby pretty much guarantee an Ohio State-Michigan rematch for the national championship.

I agree, as a partial viewer, that Michigan is the best 1-loss team. And I do think that the best matchup for the National Championship is Michigan versus Ohio State.

But do I think that there should be a UM / OSU rematch for the championship?

Hells no.

Why not?

Well, because Michigan would then, strangely enough, gain an advantage by losing to OSU Saturday.

How so?

Because OSU would have to go 2-0 against UM, in back-to-back games, to win the National Championship, while UM would only have to go 1-1 vs. OSU to be national champs.

That seems unfair and just plain wrong to me.

As a Buckeye fan, I guess I'm forced to root for USC to win out, even though I hate them. :roll:

[farmerdan]

As a Buckeye fan, I guess I'm forced to root for USC to win out, even though I hate them. :roll:

Sorry I don't really understand the whole ranking things, if USC does win are they automatically in the championship over michigan?

[grimes]

Sorry I don't really understand the whole ranking things, if USC does win are they automatically in the championship over michigan?

Well not necessarily. There's no way to know for sure what exactly the combination of human polls and computer rankings used by the BCS will spit out, but based on the fact that USC is already ahead of Michigan in the coaches poll it is likely that USC would move up to number 2 if they win their remaining games. If USC loses, there's also the possibility that the SEC champion (Florida or Arkansas) will be able to overtake Michigan in the rankings. Michigan's schedule is done, so all they can do is sit at home and watch for the next 2 weeks.

[grimes]

But do I think that there should be a UM / OSU rematch for the championship?

Hells no.

An OSU fan wouldn't hold that opinion because they're a little bit nervous about the thought of a rematch now would they?

Seriously though, you do make a good point about OSU having to go 2-0 against Michigan if there was a rematch. If the margin of victory on Saturday had been any wider then I'd probably agree completely. But given the fact OSU only won by 3 at home, I think a rematch on neutral turf is definitely justified. There is also case to be made for the fact that Michigan had its shot and now someone else should get a chance to knock off OSU. However I just feel that to leave no doubt they are the best, OSU should face the toughest challenge possible in the title game, and I think we agree that is Michigan.

[tkkarpen]

I think Michigan proved that they are the second best team, but since USC is so close to Michigan in the BCS, if USC wins out, I believe that they will most likely jump Michigan in the BCS. I would prefer not to see a rematch, but I think that is the best title game matchup. Ohio St. having homefield advantage helped a lot, but they also helped keep it close by making some uncharacteristic mistakes. As long as Notre Dame doesn't sneak their way into the title game, I'll be happy. I think that each of the remaining one loss teams (other than Michigan wouldn't be able to keep with OSU). USC - offense isn't as explosive, defensive inconsistent. Florida - couldn't score enough to beat OSU. ND - defense would be shredded. Every one loss team seems to have a major flaw (other than Michigan - maybe that's why they have a loss) that OSU will exploit - and I don't want a Miami-Nebraska type title game - that was ugly.

[tkkarpen]

Esthete, congrats for the big win. I have asked some Ohio St. fans in the past, right after the game mostly, but I was wondering if you thought that the pass interference call in the Miami-OSU title game was legit... I know you are biased, and it's a few years after the fact and it doesn't really matter, but what's your opinion on that call?

[The Horrible Esthete]

But do I think that there should be a UM / OSU rematch for the championship?

Hells no.

An OSU fan wouldn't hold that opinion because they're a little bit nervous about the thought of a rematch now would they?

I'd be lying if I said that wasn't at least a part of my opposition to a rematch. OSU / Michigan is a grinder of a game. OSU took care of business and won, and the chances of beating a team like UM twice in a row is a tall order for even the greatest of teams.

Seriously though, you do make a good point about OSU having to go 2-0 against Michigan if there was a rematch. If the margin of victory on Saturday had been any wider then I'd probably agree completely. But given the fact OSU only won by 3 at home, I think a rematch on neutral turf is definitely justified.

I'd be inclined to agree with you on that point if I thought that Saturday's game was actually as close as the final score suggests, but it really wasn't. As "tkkarpen" pointed out, OSU made a couple disasterous mistakes that were so unlike Buckeye football -- unforced turnovers as a result of poor snaps -- handing Michigan 10 points on a silver platter. I'm not trying to make excuses for those errors -- part of being a champion is avoiding stupid mistakes. But my point is that I think OSU's defense clearly demonstrated a greater ability to stop Michigan than vice versa, and without two freak occurrences toward the end of the game, the final score would not have been anywhere close to what it was.

However I just feel that to leave no doubt they are the best, OSU should face the toughest challenge possible in the title game, and I think we agree that is Michigan.

Yeah, I do agree that UM is the second best, without question. But as I said even before Saturday's game, I just think a rematch is stupid. The winner of that game is the conference champion, and remains undefeated. The national championship, in essence, has already been crowned. OSU has proven themselves worthy. To me, a rematch is pointless.

Oh well.

[The Horrible Esthete]

Esthete, congrats for the big win. I have asked some Ohio St. fans in the past, right after the game mostly, but I was wondering if you thought that the pass interference call in the Miami-OSU title game was legit... I know you are biased, and it's a few years after the fact and it doesn't really matter, but what's your opinion on that call?

Thanks for the congratulations, but all I did was sit on the couch and shout like a madman. :mrgreen:

I think it was legit, even though the contact was somewhat minor. I watched that damn play a hundred times, and it was clear to me that the DB made contact before the ball arrived. Though it was slight in nature, rules are rules. You cannot have a national championship game end like that.

Besides, I think OSU was owed that one anyway. Those refs called an OSU reception along the sidelines in the 4th quater incomplete, though replays showed otherwise. It forced a punt instead of what would likely have been another field-goal (at minimum), meaning those infamous OTs would never have occurred! :twisted: