[smg333]

opiated wrote:

as much as No threat kicks ass, i'd still take IBE over WC

I will take it in addition to,
honestly the hip have been steadily producing top notch albums for 20 years now, faithfully every 2 years we get new material(generally different i'll agree) but I always hear the same criticism that it wasn't as good as their earlier albums
I've always liked the newer stuff better

I feel like I get reintroduced to old friends every time something new comes out and am thankful for it.

[direwolf74]

However, your stance on this probably depends on what KIND of music you dig: spontaneous and urgent, over manicured and super-produced.

I too am a huge fan of IBE's live-off-the-floor production, and I'd say the majority of the music I listen to is of the spontaneous and urgent variety. Much like you I'm not usually a fan of glossy production, but I was pleasantly surprised by the results on World Container, and it's since become one of my all-time favorite Hip records. When I first heard that Bob Rock was producing, I was just as worried as everybody else. But for the most part I think the production suits the material beautifully. True, he went a little overboard on "In View" and "World Container", but everything else sounds perfectly fine to me. In the end it's the songs that really matter, not the production, and in my opinion this is the best collection of songs the Hip have put together since Phantom Power. IBE is terrific, and it's easily one of my top 5 favorite Hip albums, but overall I'd say World Container is a slightly better record. Not because of the production, but because the songs are just so goddamn brilliant. I like the fact that they try different producers everytime they make a record, and as much as I love World Container, I hope they change it up again for the next album. It keeps things fresh and interesting. I'd love to see them work with somebody like Daniel Lanois or Brendan O'Brien on the next one.

[tigerthelion]

However, your stance on this probably depends on what KIND of music you dig: spontaneous and urgent, over manicured and super-produced.

I too am a huge fan of IBE's live-off-the-floor production, and I'd say the majority of the music I listen to is of the spontaneous and urgent variety. Much like you I'm not usually a fan of glossy production, but I was pleasantly surprised by the results on World Container, and it's since become one of my all-time favorite Hip records. When I first heard that Bob Rock was producing, I was just as worried as everybody else. But for the most part I think the production suits the material beautifully. True, he went a little overboard on "In View" and "World Container", but everything else sounds perfectly fine to me. In the end it's the songs that really matter, not the production, and in my opinion this is the best collection of songs the Hip have put together since Phantom Power. IBE is terrific, and it's easily one of my top 5 favorite Hip albums, but overall I'd say World Container is a slightly better record. Not because of the production, but because the songs are just so goddamn brilliant. I like the fact that they try different producers everytime they make a record, and as much as I love World Container, I hope they change it up again for the next album. It keeps things fresh and interesting. I'd love to see them work with somebody like Daniel Lanois or Brendan O'Brien on the next one.

If you think Bob Rock likes to overproduce......... The boys would be wise to stay away from Dan Lanios. Besides, Lanois is very picky and wouldn't work with them anyway.

[direwolf74]

If you think Bob Rock likes to overproduce......... The boys would be wise to stay away from Dan Lanios. Besides, Lanois is very picky and wouldn't work with them anyway.

You're knocking the man behind The Joshua Tree and Bob Dylan's Time Out of Mind? Blasphemy! Seriously though, I don't think it's that much of a longshot to see the Hip work with Lanois sometime in the future. They already worked with him on the "Land" single back in 1993, not to mention Dan toured with them on that year's ARA tour, and they thanked him in the liner notes to Road Apples. So it's pretty obvious that they already know each other fairly well. They also worked with his protege Mark Howard on Day for Night, which has a very Lanois-esque style to the recording.

[The Darkest Canuck]

i wouldn't mind hearing what The Hip would sound like with Rick Rubin...he's so versatile and brilliant when it comes to capturing a band's sound...Jay Z, Johnny Cash, Slayer, Beastie Boys, Chili Peppers...

surely he'd be able to help the hip make a kick ass album.

[direwolf74]

i wouldn't mind hearing what The Hip would sound like with Rick Rubin...he's so versatile and brilliant when it comes to capturing a band's sound...Jay Z, Johnny Cash, Slayer, Beastie Boys, Chili Peppers...

surely he'd be able to help the hip make a kick ass album.

I agree, Rubin would be great. Word is he's currently in the studio with U2 working on their next album. Now that's a collaboration I'm dying to hear. I imagine Larry's drums will be much more front and centre.

[The Darkest Canuck]

damn! that should be killer!

[FighterAndLover]

-Rink, although I still don't get any real emotion out of it

Rink's got no emotion? I guess it does for me after reading one of those Gord interviews about his dad randomly showing up at his hockey games, he'd look up and he'd be there. Then later he'd look up and he'd be gone or something. He said something about how his dad would never say he was going to one of Gord's games, because 'you don't break promises to kids.' I guess that kind of gave it an emotional meaning to me, for all the times my dad supported me in my athletics.

[direwolf74]

-Rink, although I still don't get any real emotion out of it

Rink's got no emotion? I guess it does for me after reading one of those Gord interviews about his dad randomly showing up at his hockey games, he'd look up and he'd be there. Then later he'd look up and he'd be gone or something. He said something about how his dad would never say he was going to one of Gord's games, because 'you don't break promises to kids.' I guess that kind of gave it an emotional meaning to me, for all the times my dad supported me in my athletics.

I agree. I think "Rink" is one of the most emotional songs on the record. I can certainly understand why some folks aren't digging Bob Rock's production, but anybody who thinks these songs don't have any emotion, intensity, or urgency must be lacking a pulse. Gord's vocal performance alone is enough to get the blood racing. I get the impression that the band had a real blast making this record, and despite the glossy production I think it's a brilliant album. Easily one of the best things they've ever done. They sound refreshed, lively, and rejuvenated, especially during the live shows. Hopefully this renewed energy means that they'll keep touring and making records for years to come.

[tigerthelion]

i wouldn't mind hearing what The Hip would sound like with Rick Rubin...he's so versatile and brilliant when it comes to capturing a band's sound...Jay Z, Johnny Cash, Slayer, Beastie Boys, Chili Peppers...

surely he'd be able to help the hip make a kick ass album.

I agree, Rubin would be great. Word is he's currently in the studio with U2 working on their next album. Now that's a collaboration I'm dying to hear. I imagine Larry's drums will be much more front and centre.

I don't care for Larry's drums that much. I'd prefer them to be hidden in the back. What I do like about U2 are Bono's vocal range and Edge's guitar.

I would like to see Rubin and The Hip though. Sounds like an interesting combo.

[tigerthelion]

If you think Bob Rock likes to overproduce......... The boys would be wise to stay away from Dan Lanios. Besides, Lanois is very picky and wouldn't work with them anyway.

You're knocking the man behind The Joshua Tree and Bob Dylan's Time Out of Mind? Blasphemy! Seriously though, I don't think it's that much of a longshot to see the Hip work with Lanois sometime in the future. They already worked with him on the "Land" single back in 1993, not to mention Dan toured with them on that year's ARA tour, and they thanked him in the liner notes to Road Apples. So it's pretty obvious that they already know each other fairly well. They also worked with his protege Mark Howard on Day for Night, which has a very Lanois-esque style to the recording.

I don't really like "The Joshua Tree" that much other than a few songs. I haven't actually heard "Time Out of Mind" other than a few songs either. What I do know is that Lanois almost ruined "All That You Can't Leave Behind" with his production IMO. I think it was only Gord who sang on "Land" but I don't think the rest of the band played on it. Obviously DFN is a masterpiece and if Lanois produced an album like Howard produced DFN, I'd be all for Lanois as producer. Somehow, I just don't see it working though. I don't think Lanois' ideas would fit with the Hip. By saying this, I guess I'm speculating that Howard isn't as much like Lanois as you and probably many others believe. I think Lanois would have much more power when producing than what Howard had during DFN.

[chicagoblackhawks77]

This is the Hip's worst album. Terrible. Yer Not the Ocean is the only semi decent song. Otherwise, awful.

[BIGVDOGG]

This is the Hip's worst album. Terrible. Yer Not the Ocean is the only semi decent song. Otherwise, awful.

cratch:

[Chris Tanz]

You know what??? Besides Yer Not the Ocean, I am not impressed w/ World Container after a week. I think that IBE is a far far better album... in terms of their recent stuff of course. Anyone else with me? Or am I being overly critical???

Mick

This is the Hip's worst album. Terrible. Yer Not the Ocean is the only semi decent song. Otherwise, awful.

Was your most recent post just in case someone was spreading a rumour that you had changed your mind? Marks for consistency in any event.

After the dust has settled, I am listening to Ocean, Fly, Kids, Drop Off, Family Band, and World Container consistently. Others are skippers, unless I'm in the mood to be a completist.

ct

[Roy-at-tth]

I'm liking the album more now than when I first got it.

That said, Pretend and Last Night are frequent Skips.