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IBE revisited
#16

sean.bonner Wrote:
fingernailsonhull Wrote:It does wane in the second half...but you need to stick it out for Josephine. Fantastic tune.
I love the second half of IBE...
Mean Streak, Are We Family, You're Everywhere, Josephine, Copenhagen and Heart of the Melt are all fantastic tunes.

Mean Streak is fantastic.

Jeff

June 21, 2003 Toronto, ON: SkyDome
July 1, 2004 Toronto, ON: Molson Amphitheatre
November 26, 2004 Toronto, ON: Air Canada Centre
June 24, 2006 Toronto, ON: Historic Fort York
May 10, 2007 Indianapolis, IN: The Vogue
July 14, 2011 Edmonton, AB: Northlands Festival Site
June 30, 2012 Niagara-on-the-Lake, ON: The Commons at Butler's Barracks
January 23, 2013 Edmonton, AB: Rexall Place
July 28, 2016 Edmonton, AB: Rexall Place
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#17

fingernailsonhull Wrote:Mean Streak is fantastic.
Let's go to a show together.
I'm tired of bringing friends who only want to hear Bobcaygeon and Wheat Kings.

2004-12-03 - Saint John/2005-09-03 - Moncton/2006-06-30 - Charlottetown/2006-11-09/10 - Montreal/2007-09-11 - Fredericton/2007-09-13 - Halifax/2007-09-14 - Sydney/2007-09-15 - Charlottetown/2008-06-30 - Charlottetown/2009-05-01/02 - Montreal/2011-06-28 - Moncton/2011-06-30 - Charlottetown/2012-06-30 - Niagara-on-the-Lake/2013-02-01 - Moncton/2013-02-02 - Halifax/2015-01-10 - Toronto/2015-02-20 - Montreal/2015-07-17 - Ottawa/2016-08-18 - Ottawa/2016-08-20 - Kingston
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#18

sean.bonner Wrote:
fingernailsonhull Wrote:Mean Streak is fantastic.
Let's go to a show together.
I'm tired of bringing friends who only want to hear Bobcaygeon and Wheat Kings.

I heard Mean Streak at the Canada Day show in 2004. It was amazing.

Jeff

June 21, 2003 Toronto, ON: SkyDome
July 1, 2004 Toronto, ON: Molson Amphitheatre
November 26, 2004 Toronto, ON: Air Canada Centre
June 24, 2006 Toronto, ON: Historic Fort York
May 10, 2007 Indianapolis, IN: The Vogue
July 14, 2011 Edmonton, AB: Northlands Festival Site
June 30, 2012 Niagara-on-the-Lake, ON: The Commons at Butler's Barracks
January 23, 2013 Edmonton, AB: Rexall Place
July 28, 2016 Edmonton, AB: Rexall Place
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#19

Ten years old upcoming on June 29th...

Wowza.

2004-12-03 - Saint John/2005-09-03 - Moncton/2006-06-30 - Charlottetown/2006-11-09/10 - Montreal/2007-09-11 - Fredericton/2007-09-13 - Halifax/2007-09-14 - Sydney/2007-09-15 - Charlottetown/2008-06-30 - Charlottetown/2009-05-01/02 - Montreal/2011-06-28 - Moncton/2011-06-30 - Charlottetown/2012-06-30 - Niagara-on-the-Lake/2013-02-01 - Moncton/2013-02-02 - Halifax/2015-01-10 - Toronto/2015-02-20 - Montreal/2015-07-17 - Ottawa/2016-08-18 - Ottawa/2016-08-20 - Kingston
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#20

sean.bonner Wrote:Ten years old upcoming on June 29th...

Wowza.

I was taking a summer course while in undergrad that summer. I remember sitting at my desk listening to the album on a Discman. Yes, a Discman. And I listened to Vaccination Scar over and over and over again.

Jeff

June 21, 2003 Toronto, ON: SkyDome
July 1, 2004 Toronto, ON: Molson Amphitheatre
November 26, 2004 Toronto, ON: Air Canada Centre
June 24, 2006 Toronto, ON: Historic Fort York
May 10, 2007 Indianapolis, IN: The Vogue
July 14, 2011 Edmonton, AB: Northlands Festival Site
June 30, 2012 Niagara-on-the-Lake, ON: The Commons at Butler's Barracks
January 23, 2013 Edmonton, AB: Rexall Place
July 28, 2016 Edmonton, AB: Rexall Place
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#21

fingernailsonhull Wrote:It does wane in the second half...but you need to stick it out for Josephine. Fantastic tune.
Yep.
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#22

Love this Album...was lucky enough to attend the Fan Club show at the Whiskey here in Calgary. Was pretty good, I remember Gus as a standout, Family as well. Also that they wrote another song with New Orleans in the title...Also I drank way more than a usual show, was a great way to start the summer though
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#23

sean.bonner Wrote:Ten years old upcoming on June 29th...

Wowza.

Even scarier that "Day For Night" turns 20 this year.

I was a teenager in the 80's and listened to "classic" Zeppelin and "classic" Rush. The albums seems so old to me as a kid, meanwhile "Physical Graffiti" or "2112" were just around 10 years old.

It's scary how quick time goes and how as you get older, the meaning of the word "old" drastically changes.
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#24

I do appreciate the Rawness of IBE, but it is one of my least favorite Hip albums. - Possibly my least. It just sounds to sloppy to me, like the band doesn't care. Gord mumbles an awful lot, which I find gets really annoying. I hate the way the album even starts - If only Heaven Is A Better Place started with a better intro that built up or something. The worst is "If New Orleans is Beat." It sounds like the whole band is half asleep. Yeah, I know that's a lot of negatives. It just doesn't do it for me at all.

There are a few positives though. I like Gus, Nashville and the last two songs: Are we Family is touching and Josephine rocks pretty hard. Vaccination Scar is pretty good too.
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#25

I LOVE this record. Well, except for the opening track. And I'm pleasantly surprised to finding it getting a lot of love here, because as I recall it was pretty much crapped on at the time of release, which I didn't get at the time and still don't. I rate it as one of their best.

I get that some people prefer slick, U2-style production. But count me as among those who *prefer* the rawness and looseness of the sound; it's like they're an underground or alternative act on this record, and I was sort of disappointed at the time that so many Hip fans couldn't handle the 'basement' sound this record generated. That they couldn't see the fun in a truly demented track like 'Summer is Killing Us' also seemed a bit of a drag. In terms of content, it's just a tank: consistently strong throughout, with particularly exceptional standouts like 'Gus' and 'You Are Everywhere' punctuating the whole affair. The songs are complex and intelligent - no three-chord anthems here (well, OK, the wonderful 'Makeshift!' Occurring to each other under the setups of the stars!!)- but with a ton of focus and urgency behind them, and Gord's lyrics are as incisive as they get.

It's frustrating to feel oneself on a completely different wavelength from other putative fans of an artist you like. So the lukewarm response to IBE kind of bummed me out, and it's nice to realize I'm not alone after all! :thumb: (Perhaps I should add that I'm no uncritical fanboy: M@W, IVL, and WC are all on my personal scrap-pile, for instance).
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#26

I have to think the majority of Hip fans would put this album in the upper half. It's fantastic. Gus is probably my third favourite Hip song after Escape & Courage.
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#27

I don't know, for it to be considered in the upper half, You'd have to put one of the first 6 albums behind it and I don't think many people would. It's probably 9 or 10 out of 12 for me. Which is not to say I absolutely don't like it (now for plan A is the only hip album I really don't like), but...I wouldn't put it anywhere near the upper reaches of their oeuvre. (Big word, yeah!)
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#28

SRK Wrote:I don't know, for it to be considered in the upper half, You'd have to put one of the first 6 albums behind it and I don't think many people would. It's probably 9 or 10 out of 12 for me. Which is not to say I absolutely don't like it (now for plan A is the only hip album I really don't like), but...I wouldn't put it anywhere near the upper reaches of their oeuvre. (Big word, yeah!)

I feel that, if listened to with something like objective ears, IBE has a legitimate case to be stronger than 'Up To Here' (yes, yes, a classic, but the songwriting is actually pretty uneven on that thing), 'Road Apples' (which I love, but isn't nearly as complex and layered as IBE), and 'Henhouse' (which is also kinda uneven). I was never an unqualified fan of the second half of 'Phantom Power,' notwithstanding the greatness that is 'Emperor Penguin,' so I'd rank IBE ahead of that too; but this might be sacrilege.

Different strokes and all that, but how anyone can rate complete disasters like M@W, IVL and WC ahead of 'Now For Plan A' eludes me. Like many good records, Plan A has a couple of songs I skip (Modern Spirit, Take Forever, and the boring title track), but there is a sizeable nucleus of good, strong and heartfelt songs on there. No singles, admittedly; just a clutch for strong, impassioned songs. 'We Want to Be It' and 'Goodnight Attawapiskat' are particular standouts to my ears. It's a strong and mature rock record.
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