[admo]

I'm glad to see that solid SOLID tracks like cordelia and highway girl are getting the nod from some people.....the "i save lots of money but i lose lots of sleep" rant has to be up there on the best all time list.

[thipfan73]

I'm glad to see that solid SOLID tracks like cordelia and highway girl are getting the nod from some people.....the "i save lots of money but i lose lots of sleep" rant has to be up there on the best all time list.

Didn't pick highway girl because although I am extremely fond of the "Double Suicide" live version I'm not fond of the original version. They're not quite the same.

[admo]

I'm glad to see that solid SOLID tracks like cordelia and highway girl are getting the nod from some people.....the "i save lots of money but i lose lots of sleep" rant has to be up there on the best all time list.

Didn't pick highway girl because although I am extremely fond of the "Double Suicide" live version I'm not fond of the original version. They're not quite the same.

I heard the original version on the radio this morning (yes the radio...benefit of living in kingston) and I couldnt believe it was the same song, just didnt have the zip to it that the live version does

[Lizard King]

The 1989 CFNY xmas party boot, is my favorite version of that song it rocks! :thumb:

[thipfan73]

Didn't pick highway girl because although I am extremely fond of the "Double Suicide" live version I'm not fond of the original version. They're not quite the same.

I heard the original version on the radio this morning (yes the radio...benefit of living in kingston) and I couldnt believe it was the same song, just didnt have the zip to it that the live version does

I downloaded "Double Suicide" back in the day it was "OK" to download songs during the early days of napster. It's all I knew of that song till I hear the original version about six months ago. It was like..."that's not even the same song!!!!" :lol:

[opiated]

I'm glad to see that solid SOLID tracks like cordelia and highway girl are getting the nod from some people.....the "i save lots of money but i lose lots of sleep" rant has to be up there on the best all time list.

Didn't pick highway girl because although I am extremely fond of the "Double Suicide" live version I'm not fond of the original version. They're not quite the same.

I heard the original version on the radio this morning (yes the radio...benefit of living in kingston) and I couldnt believe it was the same song, just didnt have the zip to it that the live version does

at the radio station i work at in kamloops, we play the original version, plus smalltown bringdown, last american exit, and killing time from the ep..

[The Horrible Esthete]

Just to spite ya, I think I'll send the lyrics to "Tiger the Lion" to the editor of the Oxford Canadian dictionary, so you can decry the decay of the language when it appears in a future edition.

Language evolves.

How does that happen?

People make up new words.

You have a point, but it is a sad thing for language to "evolve" through misusage and the deterioration of grammar.

[longseason]

What value system is this based on? The strongest words in English evolved from the misuse of Latin and French.

When it comes to language; there is truly no right or wrong, merely what we're conditioned to accept, and in some cases cling to.

[schaggs]

delectative is in my dictionary. I suppose it might only be found in the multi-volume complete oxford dictionary?

Either way, I didn't make it up.... and Mr. Downie didn't make it up, and Calvin Tomkins probably didn't make it up either. If anyone made it up, it was probably John Cage.

I'll accept a word John Cage uses into my language far faster than a word made up by some high-school kid on the internet.

WTFOMGLOL!!!!!!BBQ!!!!!111one11eleven11!

[skippy the wonder dog]

You have a point, but it is a sad thing for language to "evolve" through misusage and the deterioration of grammar.

How else would it evolve? The meaning of an existing word can change only by misuse. So "hopefully" no longer means "in a hopeful manner" but "it is to be hoped that," and this is now finding acceptance. That's inevitable, because the meaning of a word can only usefully be defined by how native speakers use it.

As for grammar ... it's worth keeping in mind that many rules of English grammar, such as the prohibition against split infinitives, are derived not from the true roots of English, but from Latin. They're purely ideological, representing an effort to set boundaries (based on education and socioeconomic status, originally).

The notion that there is "correct" grammar, syntax, or spelling treats language as a rigid system. But for most of history, language has not been codified. Dictionaries did not exist in Shakespeare's time; there was no question of whether Malory's grammar was correct.

I spent six years or so as a technical writer, and during that time met quite a few people who suffered from the copyeditor's disease -- the conviction that there is a correct form and that other forms are wrong. Not just wrong in a given context, but purely and universally wrong. Copyeditor's disease begins when people forget that communication is the aim, and the only reason to make rules is clarity.

Language is going to change. Might as well go down to the beach and yell at the waves to stop crashing, as a wise and now allegedly gay man once said.

Now I'm way off topic, miles away even from "delectative" ... we now return to your scheduled programming....

[Chris Tanz]

nah. evolution of language sucks. I'm all for the grunting.

ct

[thipfan73]

nah. evolution of language sucks. I'm all for the grunting.

ct

How about the chest beating?

[The Horrible Esthete]

The notion that there is "correct" grammar, syntax, or spelling treats language as a rigid system. But for most of history, language has not been codified. Dictionaries did not exist in Shakespeare's time; there was no question of whether Malory's grammar was correct.

But we all know language does have a standard of "rules" in our society. We teach our children to learn the 'rigid standards' of our language for a reason, which you pinpoint the following paragraph - clarity in communication. The reasons that explain why language wasn't so strictly 'codified' throughout history are many, but at the top of the list are a) the lack of effective, standardized educational systems, and b) the presence of physical / geographical constraints that restricted communication and the organization / exchange of knowledge between regional settlements.

I spent six years or so as a technical writer, and during that time met quite a few people who suffered from the copyeditor's disease -- the conviction that there is a correct form and that other forms are wrong. Not just wrong in a given context, but purely and universally wrong. Copyeditor's disease begins when people forget that communication is the aim, and the only reason to make rules is clarity.

Hmm. Guess all my English and Spanish instructors and professors must have been afflicted with this little-known "copyeditor's disease" you speak of!

Language is going to change

Yes it will. New terms, meanings, and usages will be created as dictated by societal need. But the morphing of an existing word only becomes "acceptable" in modern language through a complete breakdown in educational standards (which is presently occurring, and as I said earlier, is quite sad).

Might as well go down to the beach and yell at the waves to stop crashing, as a wise and now allegedly gay man once said.

I think what he actually said was "Jeeth Chritht. Might ath well go down to the beach and yell at the waveth to thtop crathing! What? Oh thtop! I do not have a lithp!"

[skippy the wonder dog]

New terms, meanings, and usages will be created as dictated by societal need. But the morphing of an existing word only becomes "acceptable" in modern language through a complete breakdown in educational standards (which is presently occurring, and as I said earlier, is quite sad).

Well, I don't know how it can be so sad, since it has been going on for centuries.

Not that your claim is true: we all know that "gordisgay" means to imply that Gord is homosexual, not that Gord is happy, but none of us insists that "gay" should have a single, correct meaning. Neither did the sense of "gay" as homosexual arise out of ignorance of the word's true meaning. It probably came about because "gay" meaning happy was used in senses that allowed it to suggest homosexuality. That would be an interesting thing to look at....

New senses of words usually make their way into dictionaries not from uneducated uses, but from educated ones -- from books. I could argue that the aim of literature is to develop and modify language. Should we ban writing?

[Lizard King]

And did everyone notice the contest?

The picture from the website isn't showing, but it said there was a contest coming soon, with a chance to meet the Hip. Is this contest dead, or is it yet to come? Maybe when the GH/DVD drops it will kick in. I hope so anyways.