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Yet another reason to do away with the Royal Family...
#1

Before anybody gets their knickers in a twist, I was born in England and partly raised there (which explains a lot... :roll: :lol: ) so I do have the right to talk frankly about this. Oh, and by "do away with", I don't mean the way the Russians did away with their last Czar in 1918...I mean kick these people out on the street and tell them to lose the accents and get real jobs.

By PAUL MAJENDIE, REUTERS

With one gruff memo about not all men being equal, the heir to the throne has tarnished his populist credentials.

In a battle of aristocracy versus meritocracy, the "philosopher prince" is being pilloried as a bastion of outdated privilege by a Labour government whose Holy Grail is equal opportunity.

From organic food to alternative medicine, the prince is an environmental crusader who has even admitted talking to the plants in his garden.

The Prince's Trust, one of the projects dearest to his heart, has won plaudits for giving young entrepreneurs a start in business.

Once eclipsed by his glamorous young wife Diana and pilloried for his affair with Camilla Parker Bowles, Charles had been winning over his doubting subjects as a caring single parent after Diana's 1997 death in a Paris car crash.

But now his spin doctors are in a spin themselves over a row that has highlighted social divisions in this class-conscious land.

In the true blue corner stands Charles, exasperated by a suggestion from one of his personal assistants that she and people like her should be trained for more senior positions in his household.

"What is wrong with everyone nowadays? Why do they all seem to think they are qualified to do things beyond their capabilities," he asked in the memo read out as evidence at an employment tribunal.

"This is to do with the learning culture in schools as a consequence of a child-centred system which admits no failure."

"People think they can all be pop stars, high court judges, brilliant TV personalities ... without even putting in the necessary work or having natural ability."

Roaring out of the red corner came Labour's blunt-spoken Education Secretary Charles Clarke.

"To be quite frank, I think he is very old-fashioned and out of time and he doesn't understand what is going on in the British education system," Clarke said. "We can't all be born to be king..."

The spat has provoked debate across Britain.

Millionaire businessman Alan Sugar had no doubt: "Everybody should have ambition so I don't see where Prince Charles is coming from."

Television writer Jimmy McGovern, brought up in a cockroach-infested Liverpool slum, complained: "In theory I can aspire to any position in the land except his -- so how dare he say that?"

Former BBC royal correspondent Jennie Bond said "It was pretty rich coming from his extraordinarily privileged background."

But she did have a sneaking admiration for the prince who has been a king-in-waiting for decades and once freely admitted: "My great problem is that I really don't know what my role in life is."
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#2

I think we're long lost brothers.
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#3

The idea of a philosopher prince is impossible. Just ask Plato. In his Republic's City in Speech, it is ruled by the guardians, or philosopher kings. Yes, it's where the short-lived band got its name. However, this is a paradox. Plato says that the philosopher seeks justice in his soul. A king seeks power, honour, and flattery. These priorities contrast each other so greatly that one person cannot seek both at the same time. At any rate, Charles is an aristocrat. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't expect him to be a philosopher. It's impossible.

Jeff

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#4

Then again, I got to thinking. Aristotle disagrees. He writes about the magnanimous man. This is the just man who is in power and seeks justice for all. Justice for all is really an impossible concept. I don't think I agree with Aristotle on this one. Anyway, it just got my brain cranking as a political scientist.

Jeff

June 21, 2003 Toronto, ON: SkyDome
July 1, 2004 Toronto, ON: Molson Amphitheatre
November 26, 2004 Toronto, ON: Air Canada Centre
June 24, 2006 Toronto, ON: Historic Fort York
May 10, 2007 Indianapolis, IN: The Vogue
July 14, 2011 Edmonton, AB: Northlands Festival Site
June 30, 2012 Niagara-on-the-Lake, ON: The Commons at Butler's Barracks
January 23, 2013 Edmonton, AB: Rexall Place
July 28, 2016 Edmonton, AB: Rexall Place
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#5

Having recently laboured through The Republic and Poetics once again for my History of Criticism class, I can appreciate the effort and thought you put into those responses! I'm always amazed with how little of Plato's ideals I agree with. Sometimes it seems like The Republic is too ironic to be useful!
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#6

To be honest, I have not read the Poetics, only Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics. Yes, Plato is extremely ironic. He goes to all these great lengths to build up the City in Speech and then in Book IX, just sluffs it off as a picture of the ideal structuring of the soul. Perhaps that was his idea all along. Perhaps it realized it was actually ridiculously unjust. Anyhow, I conclude that Plato was an ass and Aristotle only slightly less so. Aristotle was very practical in his views and related the individual to the just structuring of society, not only the person. This was very wise. He's easier to swallow than Plato - which is even easier to swallow than hemlock.

Jeff

June 21, 2003 Toronto, ON: SkyDome
July 1, 2004 Toronto, ON: Molson Amphitheatre
November 26, 2004 Toronto, ON: Air Canada Centre
June 24, 2006 Toronto, ON: Historic Fort York
May 10, 2007 Indianapolis, IN: The Vogue
July 14, 2011 Edmonton, AB: Northlands Festival Site
June 30, 2012 Niagara-on-the-Lake, ON: The Commons at Butler's Barracks
January 23, 2013 Edmonton, AB: Rexall Place
July 28, 2016 Edmonton, AB: Rexall Place
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#7

Of all the philosophers and critics of old that I have studied, I often found my views most closely aligned with Horace. Are you familiar with his Epistle to the Pisones? Although his views relate more to literature than general society as a whole (at least the works that I have covered) I find that they can be extrapolated in a larger context to be applied to general human nature and interaction, and therefore the roots of society.
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#8

I am actually not familiar with Horace. Who I do enjoy reading is Augustine. While we disagree on some things, his commentary on human nature is bang on. The City of God is a very interesting read.

Jeff

June 21, 2003 Toronto, ON: SkyDome
July 1, 2004 Toronto, ON: Molson Amphitheatre
November 26, 2004 Toronto, ON: Air Canada Centre
June 24, 2006 Toronto, ON: Historic Fort York
May 10, 2007 Indianapolis, IN: The Vogue
July 14, 2011 Edmonton, AB: Northlands Festival Site
June 30, 2012 Niagara-on-the-Lake, ON: The Commons at Butler's Barracks
January 23, 2013 Edmonton, AB: Rexall Place
July 28, 2016 Edmonton, AB: Rexall Place
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