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Ralph Nader is the most selfish SOB in America
#1

In the heart of the most successful example of capitalism in the world is one man who I think must surely be the most supremely selfish man of all - Ralph freakin' Nader . WHAT IS HE THINKING?! He just announced that he plans to run for President. WHY DON'T YOU JUST JOIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, YOU IDIOT!!

It has not been more important to unseat the current President and begin to undo the damage done since the Vietnam era. And now this little bastard, who KNOWS he does not stand a chance to win the Presidency, wants to play spoiler again!

He ignored the good of his country and, indeed, the good of the entire planet. He was strongly anti-Iraq War, and since John Kerry voted for it, NADER IS GOING TO TAKE EVEN MORE DEMOCRATIC VOTES THAN LAST TIME!

Just look at the very last paragraph of this article!



Nader to run for president as independent
Sunday, February 22, 2004 Posted: 11:08 AM EST (1608 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Ralph Nader, a consumer advocate and former Green Party presidential candidate, said Sunday he will run for president as an independent in the 2004 election.

"After careful thought and my desire to retire our supremely selected president, I've decided to run as an independent candidate for president," Nader said during an interview on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Nader's announcement was widely watched by Democrats, many who blame him for siphoning off votes in Florida in the 2000 election that might have gone to Democratic nominee Al Gore, who lost the state and the overall election in a split decision by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Democrats also fear a Nader campaign could swing the election to President Bush this year.

"We can't afford to have Ralph Nader in the race," Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe told CNN on Friday. "This is about the future of our country. If you care about the environment, if you care about job growth, you've got to support the Democratic nominee. So I'm urging everybody to talk to Ralph Nader."

Nader said he is jumping into the race to "challenge the two-party duopoly" that he said is damaging American democracy. He lashed out against what he called the treatment of third-party and independent candidates as "second-class citizens."

Nader, who will turn 70 this month, ran as a Green Party candidate in 1996 and 2000.

After the candidate was shown an Internet message calling on him not to run that was posted on an anti-Nader Web site -- ralphdontrun.net -- Nader said it was "a contemptuous statement against Democracy, against freedom, against more voices and choices for the American people."

"It is an offense to deny millions of people who may want to vote for our candidacy an opportunity to vote for our candidacy," Nader said.

"The liberal intelligentsia," he said, "has allowed its party to become a captive of corporate interests."

Washington is "corporate-occupied territory," Nader said. "We need more political and civic energies inside the campaign to challenge this two-party duopoly that's trending toward one-party districts all over the country."

Nader made clear his desire to help kick Bush out of the White House. He said he supports impeaching the president for "misleading" Americans about the Iraq war and "fabricating" reasons for taking military action. And he accused Bush of being "a giant corporation in the White House masquerading as a human being."

In December, Nader said he would not run for the Green Party nomination in 2004. That decision means he will have to go through the process of getting ballot access in all 50 states as an independent, a daunting and expensive task.

Nader said Sunday that he does not know in how many states he will be able to get his name on the presidential ballot. Either way, he added, "there are 40 slam dunk states where Republicans or Democrats will win handily."

In the 2000 race, Nader won less than 3 percent of the vote nationally. But many Democrats are convinced he tipped the election toward Bush because the president's margin of victory in two states -- Florida and New Hampshire -- was smaller than the number of people who voted for Nader.

Had Gore carried either of those states, he would have carried the Electoral College and won the presidency.

However, it is impossible to know what those Nader voters would have done if he had not been in the race. Nader himself insists that "Gore beat Gore" and that many of his voters would have stayed home or voted for Bush if he had not been on the ballot.

Still, the possibility of Nader drawing votes from the left side of the political spectrum has leading Democrats worried.

"I think the role at this point that he plays is a similar role to what he played last time, and that's a spoiler," Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California told CNN. "I hate to say that."

One question raised by a Nader candidacy is whether he would appeal to voters who were energized by the campaign of former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean -- particularly voters opposed to the war in Iraq, which both Kerry and Edwards supported in Congress.

Dean, who suspended his campaign last week, has said he will support the Democratic nominee in order to beat Bush. But some of his supporters who are less satisfied with their choices may be more open to Nader.

As one Dean supporter put it in a message posted on his campaign blog, "All I can say is I understand the reasons Nader is running this time a lot more than I understood them last time."
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#2

no need to yell...

I need 2 Kingston Tickets, please help.
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#3

We're looking at four more years of Bush. People have gone postal for lesser motives!
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#4

I do not think Nader will have the same effect in this election for two reasons. First, he is not running under the Green party banner. So he has lost a network to help his campaign gain strength without an organization in place.

Second, alot of people supported him in 2000 that are not doing so this time. In fact, they begged him not to run. He will not be getting endorsements this time around.

If I had to make a prediction, I do not think he will get even a percent of the vote in November. I believe he had over 4 percent in 2000 which did swing it in favor of Bush. Take those 100 000 votes he recieved in Florida and give part of them to Gore and America would have a different president.
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#5

That Florida (or Massachusetts) vote count for Nader did win Bush the election - you're right about that, prz.

But this time around, Nader may not have a party but he does have one thing - an ISSUE. He was opposed to the War in Iraq from day 1 and says he would have voted against it. Kerry voted for it. I think Nader will take away the support of Democrats angry about that. Think about the massive numbers of Democrats furious about the War and if only a few percent of them move over to Nader, it could be enough to ruin everything.

Last time Nader had a party but no issue. I think the issue is dangerous this time around.

God how I wish I could vote in your election!!
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#6

I think the Dems have a reason to be worried, because Kerry is at heart, a politically expedient man. He voted for authorizing Bush to invade Iraq, but then turned around and said if he had to do it all over again, he wouldnt have. He voted for the No Child Left Behind Act, then started complaining the funds in this year's budget wasnt enough, even though it is the largest federal education funding increase in 25 years. He just sticks his finger up into the wind and sees where it leads him, he has no compelling personal beliefs about anything. Say what you will about Bush, but he sticks to his guns and his beliefs. The Dems are worried because not only will Bush point out the facts of Kerry's voting record and possibly convince moderates and independents towards him, but Nader will be attacking Kerry from the left and siphoning the votes of the anti-war movement. If Nader doesnt get on alot of state ballots, I think what he'll do is encourage people to stay home, which is sad.
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#7

I just think Nader will lose because the voters on the left hate Bush more than anything and voting for Nader will not help them beat Bush. So It will be a smart strategic vote to go with the Kerry - Edwards ticket. Yes, I think Edwards will be Kerry's VP choice.
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#8

I don't think Edwards would accept/get the VP slot for a couple of reasons. One, Kerry won't offer it to him cause by the time the Dem convention rolls around, they'll be fighting tooth and nail for delegates and Kerry won't be in a forgiving mood. Two, Edwards would have the same problem that Gore did being VP for Clinton, namely trying to get out from under his shadow. Edwards wants the top dog slot and getting there from the VP slot is hard. Truth be told, I think the only reason Bush Senior won in 88 was cause the Dems put out a dog aweful candidate. With the whole Nader thing, I think he'll start looking attractive to left leaning voters once Kerry and his flaws are highlighted. Liberals tend to vote their conscience rather than voting for politicans who pander and switch sides. Their party is structured that way.
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Even nader admits getting onto all the ballots will be tough.
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#10

He only has to get on the ballots with a lot of electoral votes to have an impact. Some of these states, like Florida or New York, have ridiciously simple rules for getting on.
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#11

Nader is useful to the democratic process. In 2000, over 40% of the people that voted for him would not have gone to the polls had he not run. Further, only one or two states (New Hampshire among them) would have given their electoral votes to Gore had the votes for Nader been discounted.

What happened in Florida was Jeb Bush and the Republican party colluding to disenfranchise as many black (democrat) voters as possible. Had the UN monitored voting in the US in 2000, they would have declared voter fraud in Florida. (Thank you, my mom lives there and is politically active.)

Nadar will not draw votes from Kerry...people are voting AGAINST the Shrub this year and the larger the turn out, the greater chance that Shrub will loose. No one is nieve enough to vote for Nader if they want to get rid of the Shrub.

HOWEVER...many of US (read ME) think Kerry is Bush with a different haircut. Voting for Nader is a way of saying that it doesn't matter who is in the White House, because all politicians are bought and sold whores.

You may think that getting rid of the Shrub is the highest priority. I, for one, think emigrating out of the US is the only realistic response.

Anyone got a job for me in Canada?
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#12

Security just opened up a few new positions where I work. It pays shit but you don't do shit, so it evens out Smile

City of the Blues...St Louis? Chicago? Mobile? N'yawleans? Knoxville? You got me curious...I only said St Louis first because you capitalized Blues so I thought it might mean the hockey team...
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