[The Horrible Esthete]

I am no longer master of my domain.

Turncoat!

[Billy]

I am pleased to say I have had a complete change of heart, regarding the album anyways. I have been listening to it a lot as of late and it is a very nice album. Many of the songs keep going through my head all throughout the day. To me, this album seems like a bigger progression, or evolution if you will, than anything before it. It sounds like a very mature and "grown up" Tragically Hip. When I say grown up, it's not to imply everything earlier is of lesser value because it is immature, I am simply suggesting this is a very noticeable change in their style, and I like it. I do believe I will be buying it on release day.

It's amazing what a few dog walks with headphones can do to perspective.

[NegPhil]

"Who am I hurting?", I think to myself. You see, from an ethical perspective, to me theft has always been the idea that a victim is deprived of something he/she has worked for, while a thief obtains something without having worked for it. In this case, I could identify neither a victim nor a thief.

BOOM great point!!!

Like punching someone in the dark :lol:
Seriously though, I don't want to get into this cause I'll just come off as a hypocrite.

O.K., calling ya'll a bunch of thieves may have been a bit harsh. :roll:

I was really pissed off when I saw that Lance had to close the "front door" to non-members because of all this leak talk. I am not a total square, I get your point, however if you looking for a victim of the theft their names are Johnny, Gord, Paul, Rob and Gordy. There was a time when the Hip fans worked together to suppress pre-release leaks, now it seems we promote them.

Personally I don't care if people rip it after it is officially released. This is different. The album has not even been released and hundreds if not thousand of people have already downloaded substandard copies. That's not cool.

I have been reading a lot of S.M. Sterling lately so I may be a bit pumped up on issues morality and technology right now. Ya'll are free to do as you will but your actions reflect poorly on all of us.

[chris]

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O.K., calling ya'll a bunch of thieves may have been a bit harsh. :roll:

I was really pissed off when I saw that Lance had to close the "front door" to non-members because of all this leak talk. I am not a total square, I get your point, however if you looking for a victim of the theft their names are Gord, Paul, Rob and Gordy. There was a time when the Hip fans worked together to suppress pre-release leaks, now it seems we promote them.

Personally I don't care if people rip it after it is officially released. This is different. The album has not even been released and hundreds if not thousand of people have already downloaded substandard copies. That's not cool.

I have been reading a lot of S.M. Sterling lately so I may be a bit pumped up on issues morality and technology right now. Ya'll are free to do as you will but your actions reflect poorly on all of us.

What about Johnny?

[Joe]

Johnny left the band, Downie does all the drumming now.

[NegPhil]

Johnny left the band, Downie does all the drumming now.

Ah shit! My bad. :oops:

[BakersBrew]

Keep things in perspective people. There are families losing their homes, and countless other REAL tragic situations occuring each and every day. The real fans are still going to buy the album, go to the shows, and maintain their support. It's just a flippin album...I can guarantee you that the Hip will continue to live on a warm side of the pavement after the album is released. And don't even bother going into the moral aspects of downloading,etc. This is the society we now live in...if you have a guilty conscience for downloading pre-released material...then don't do it. I do not feel guilty for listening because I will be purchasing the album and going to a couple of shows.

[Flamenco]

Johnny left the band, Downie does all the drumming now.

:what

[direwolf74]

Ya'll are free to do as you will but your actions reflect poorly on all of us.

That's nonesense. We ALL support this band and everybody here is buying the damn record on release day. Get over it.

[chris]

Ya'll are free to do as you will but your actions reflect poorly on all of us.

That's nonesense. We ALL support this band and everybody here is buying the damn record on release day. Get over it.

I'm not buying it on release day; I've already bought it three times over...

[direwolf74]

Ya'll are free to do as you will but your actions reflect poorly on all of us.

That's nonesense. We ALL support this band and everybody here is buying the damn record on release day. Get over it.

I'm not buying it on release day; I've already bought it three times over...

Haha, true enough.

[Tthip]

--Art smothered by strings and 'structure'--
Jon Hilderman, 2009

[chris]

--Art smothered by strings and 'structure'--
Jon Hilderman, 2009

John doesn't like the album - what about you, Dana?

[blk7]

O.K., calling ya'll a bunch of thieves may have been a bit harsh. :roll:

I was really pissed off when I saw that Lance had to close the "front door" to non-members because of all this leak talk. I am not a total square, I get your point, however if you looking for a victim of the theft their names are Johnny, Gord, Paul, Rob and Gordy. There was a time when the Hip fans worked together to suppress pre-release leaks, now it seems we promote them.

Personally I don't care if people rip it after it is officially released. This is different. The album has not even been released and hundreds if not thousand of people have already downloaded substandard copies. That's not cool.

I have been reading a lot of S.M. Sterling lately so I may be a bit pumped up on issues morality and technology right now. Ya'll are free to do as you will but your actions reflect poorly on all of us.

Well...I am now registered on the board because "The front door was closed". So it got the board at least one new member.

I downloaded the rip. I've also already pre-ordered from the Giftshop. It is an ethical question.

P2P can be bad for artists, but also very good. I'm in Australia. There is no way I'd have ever gotten into the Hip if their albums were not available on P2P networks. I downloaded their music, loved it, bought the CD's. All of them (Maple Music must love me).

In fact their is a whole slab of Canadian music on my CD rack all because I downloaded a track or album and liked it. Matt Good, Matt Mays, Sam Roberts, The Hip.

It's an obvious argument to ask "What about all those people that don't buy the albums?" It's also a good way to kill your business. The industry needs to worry more about the sales they do make and how to extend them, than worry about all the sales they haven't.

Went on a bit here. I'd love to know what the band themselves think about file sharing. Ambivalent, I guess.

[Joe]

O.K., calling ya'll a bunch of thieves may have been a bit harsh. :roll:

I was really pissed off when I saw that Lance had to close the "front door" to non-members because of all this leak talk. I am not a total square, I get your point, however if you looking for a victim of the theft their names are Johnny, Gord, Paul, Rob and Gordy. There was a time when the Hip fans worked together to suppress pre-release leaks, now it seems we promote them.

Personally I don't care if people rip it after it is officially released. This is different. The album has not even been released and hundreds if not thousand of people have already downloaded substandard copies. That's not cool.

I have been reading a lot of S.M. Sterling lately so I may be a bit pumped up on issues morality and technology right now. Ya'll are free to do as you will but your actions reflect poorly on all of us.

Well...I am now registered on the board because "The front door was closed". So it got the board at least one new member.

I downloaded the rip. I've also already pre-ordered from the Giftshop. It is an ethical question.

P2P can be bad for artists, but also very good. I'm in Australia. There is no way I'd have ever gotten into the Hip if their albums were not available on P2P networks. I downloaded their music, loved it, bought the CD's. All of them (Maple Music must love me).

In fact their is a whole slab of Canadian music on my CD rack all because I downloaded a track or album and liked it. Matt Good, Matt Mays, Sam Roberts, The Hip.

It's an obvious argument to ask "What about all those people that don't buy the albums?" It's also a good way to kill your business. The industry needs to worry more about the sales they do make and how to extend them, than worry about all the sales they haven't.

Went on a bit here. I'd love to know what the band themselves think about file sharing. Ambivalent, I guess.

It always brings a smile to my face when somebody from another country can appreciate Canadian music. Welcome.