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3 Pistols Explained? Now With 10% More "Nautical"
#31

longseason Wrote:Hey guys,

I'm a publisher and would be happy to help the community put together a fan book. First off, I know how to see this project through to the end -- I've printed many quality perfect bound books in my days -- saw them right through production, layout, et al. et al.

Of course, I couldn't front any money for it. But:

We could get the book digitally ready for printing. A print run of 500 softcover perfect bound books with a color cover would be around 2200 bux Canadian. Pictures would be black and white -- no color inside. That would up the price considerably.

So sell 220 at 10 bux a pop and we'd recover our costs in advance of printing (print run takes two weeks at the printer). We sell the rest with all or some of the proceeds going to Waterkeepers and some cash to Lance to keep his server running.

So we'd need to sell 220 in advance -- think we could do it? I'd be willing to donate time and energy and lots of knowledge both hip wise and publishing industry wise. Waterkeepers would get a couple of grand out of the deal, too.

Be easy to get reviews in the paper, too, I'd imagine -- so the books would sell themselves.

I'm currently picthing an idea to book agents, trying to avoid Vanity Publishing if possible. Although that may be the best option in the end.
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#32

Man-Sized Eldorado Wrote:
Quote:http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...ce&s=books
Found it!

Brilliant! Thanks so much!

The book's actually a little dry, the quotes in the appendix were the most help, as well as some external sources it referenced. There's a new book called "Canoe Lake" which I haven't been able to find, but probably has a bit more info since the 1970 run.

Most up to date info I've been able to find debunks the bullet idea (Which is consistent with one of the doctors in the Little book) Plus, I'm thinking you could interpret Winnie Trainor's actions "sweeping away" trinkets and roses in an entirely different way...

Hell, I guess you could interpret all of it in an entirley different way... Gord seems to like that. Smile I'm interested to see what others take from it.
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#33

Stephen Dame Wrote:Hey guys,
I'm currently picthing an idea to book agents, trying to avoid Vanity Publishing if possible. Although that may be the best option in the end.

Sorry Stephen -- I'll have to take issue with you and the term "vanity publishing" -- I'm not a vanity publisher. I'm a professional small press publisher of Canadian literary works. Beautiful stuff actually; we also have international distribution in the states, the U.K. and Japan; although obviously we couldn't fit this project into our own catalog.

What I was offering you were my services as a publisher, designer, and administrator when it comes to producing a book. I've done it all beginning to end. Many times.

Vanity publishers make money; they take a cut from every book, et al. I was offering to do this as a service to the community. If we went that route, we'd retain all of the proceeds from the book which we could distribute, I would suggest, to a charity like Waterkeepers. We could start our own non-profit if we'd like to oversee the money.

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Or you could line the pockets of people who care nothing for your book and the real reason why the fans would want to be a part of something like this as readers and/or contributors. Book publishers think in terms of what sells. Large retailers won't give a book real estate unless it'll move off the shelves. Who wants to create books and/or art that's thought of in terms of a commodity? Why would you want to share the spoils with a book agent? A major publisher? What can they do that the community cannot? Raise the profile of your project? Provide credibility? Meh. Big business stinks. It's the independents that do anything worthwhile these days. Been in Chapter's lately? Absolute crap. If I wanted to drink a latte while thumbing through Oprah's new magazine, maybe I'd go.
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For a project like this, you have to think about the audience. Do things on your own terms. Way cooler. Way more respectable. Find a book agent, if that's what you'd really like to do. But what are your goals? Get your book in Chapter's and let multiple middlemen eat away money that could serve a greater purpose? Are you really going to sell more books with a book agent? I've been doing this a long time. I know what works and doesn't work. DIY rules.
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#34

longseason Wrote:
Stephen Dame Wrote:Hey guys,
I'm currently picthing an idea to book agents, trying to avoid Vanity Publishing if possible. Although that may be the best option in the end.

Sorry Stephen -- I'll have to take issue with you and the term "vanity publishing" -- I'm not a vanity publisher. I'm a professional small press publisher of Canadian literary works. Beautiful stuff actually; we also have international distribution in the states, the U.K. and Japan; although obviously we couldn't fit this project into our own catalog.

What I was offering you were my services as a publisher, designer, and administrator when it comes to producing a book. I've done it all beginning to end. Many times.

Vanity publishers make money; they take a cut from every book, et al. I was offering to do this as a service to the community. If we went that route, we'd retain all of the proceeds from the book which we could distribute, I would suggest, to a charity like Waterkeepers. We could start our own non-profit if we'd like to oversee the money.

[rant]
Or you could line the pockets of people who care nothing for your book and the real reason why the fans would want to be a part of something like this as readers and/or contributors. Book publishers think in terms of what sells. Large retailers won't give a book real estate unless it'll move off the shelves. Who wants to create books and/or art that's thought of in terms of a commodity? Why would you want to share the spoils with a book agent? A major publisher? What can they do that the community cannot? Raise the profile of your project? Provide credibility? Meh. Big business stinks. It's the independents that do anything worthwhile these days. Been in Chapter's lately? Absolute crap. If I wanted to drink a latte while thumbing through Oprah's new magazine, maybe I'd go.
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For a project like this, you have to think about the audience. Do things on your own terms. Way cooler. Way more respectable. Find a book agent, if that's what you'd really like to do. But what are your goals? Get your book in Chapter's and let multiple middlemen eat away money that could serve a greater purpose? Are you really going to sell more books with a book agent? I've been doing this a long time. I know what works and doesn't work. DIY rules.

Uhh... cool. I wasn't refering to you or your offer as "Vanity Publishing." Sorry if it looked that way.

It's just that people I've spoken to about the idea yak and yak about getting a proper agent or having to "settle" for Vanity Publishing. I'm fully willing to go through the legal hassles of copyrighted lyrics, and the general work of a full fledged book (Which goes a bit deeper of course than these simple "fleshing's" of songs.) but those very obstacles may force me to go the Vanity route.

I consider what your talking about to be entirely different, in fact I'm not sure I quite fully understand what you're talking about... the fan book idea I posted earlier in this thread? If you can help us make that happen, cool, please PM me.

And dude, have you seen the women in Chapters sipping Latte's and reading Oprah's magazine? THAT'S why I go to Chapters. Smile
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#35

Some new research has uncovered some new details and cleared up some stuff from the original, and I've got the finished product done (It needs a beefier ending and a good editor, but I'm pre-ocupied with trying to find somebody dum... BRILLIANT... enough to pubish this and twenty like it.) And hey, I've learned that in Freud's opinion, ships and water rescues in dreams represent women, their genitalia and the womb... so Nautical should be fun to write. Smile

THREE PISTOLS

As a California crowd braced for the bands next number, Gordon Downie introduced an early performance of Three Pistols with the following: “Here’s one of many Canadian myths, that like many Canadian myths, just happens to be true.” As mythologies go, Canada can hold her own. Granted, there are some doubts as to whether Captain A. Roy Brown really shot down the Red Baron, a group of Australian field gunners also staked a claim. There are even lingering suspicions surrounding the Ogopogo sea monster, some would deny the lonely British Columbia Leviathan even exists. There is however a great deal of fact in the fable of Tom Thompson.

Thompson was the inspirational force behind Canada’s first indigenous renaissance. An unsatisfied commercial artist, Tom would escape to the northlands outside Toronto, sketching and painting Algonquin Provincial Park from all angles. Thompson was a stylistic missionary among his peers. He brought them a vision from the wilderness, a new way of interpreting their world. These admirers and contemporaries would often accompany Tom on trips into the Park. Together, they would rupture the fault lines of Canadian art.

Franklin Carmichael, Lawren Harris, A.Y. Jackson, Frank Johnston, Arthur Lismer, J.E.H Macdonald and Frederick Varley carried with them the impressionistic style Thompson had pioneered. In the process the men became globally renowned as The Group of Seven. Today, the groups vibrant, florescent and passionate works adorn everything from concert bills to coasters. Their paintings hang in the solemn Senate Chamber on Parliament Hill and a reprinted pageantry exists in living rooms nationwide. The Group of Seven’s images of Canada became the images of Canada.

Tom Thompson saw none of his revolution. His life ended at the very spot where his legend began, Canoe Lake in Algonquin Park. Three Pistols itself references some of the details surrounding Tom’s disappearance, a love-triangle that may have been involved, Tom’s rumored post-mortem return, and a little bit of Hamlet throw in for good measure.

On July 9, 1917 Tom Thompson’s canoe was found floating upside down on Canoe Lake. Seven days later, while admiring the lake from his rented cabin, Dr. G.W. Howland spotted a body. It was sadly simple for two local guides, George Rowe and Lowrie Dickson, to immediately identify the corpse. Tom Thompson had become very well known to Park residents, an adopted member of their isolated and idyllic community. He was now confirmed dead at 39.

An experienced outdoorsman, as gifted with paddle as with brush, it seemed a tragic if not unlikely end for the painter. The official cause of death: drowned after a head injury had plunged him unconsciously into the water.

Described as quiet and gentlemanly by his Canoe Lake acquaintances, Thompson was fondly remembered by the locals. They saw a lot of him, both before and after his death. The first lines in the opening verse of Three Pistols seem to illustrate the phenomenon of Thompson sightings occurring long after he’d escaped his mortal masterpiece. The most commonly recorded apparition would silently appear on the water, paddle its canoe towards the startled witness, and then vanish.

There was nothing new in this habit of returning from the dead in order to not-so-subtly spook the living into reading between the lines. In Hamlet, Shakespeare’s Danish Prince is asked by his fallen father to avenge his death. Doing what anybody would do in that situation, Hamlet decides to dress up his buddies and put on a play. Upon witnessing the re-enactment of the King’s murder and the emotional reaction of the fictitious Queen in the play, Hamlet’s real mother famously remarks “The lady doth protest too much.”

The second verse reference to this Shakespearian line may be intended to draw attention to the paranormal similarities between Tom’s tale and Hamlet’s exploits. Tom’s death was a suspicious one to Canoe Lake regulars. Some believed that, like Hamlet’s father, the accidental death was very deliberate cover for murder. The line may also carry a far more simple connotation, recalling a real love-life letdown being experienced by Gordon Downie or another band member. Downie has made reference to a love triangle during Three Pistols intros and interludes. And as with most stories involving a love triangle, it’s at this point where things get interesting.

The songs “bride of the Northern Woods” appears to be Winnie Trainor. Winnie was the eldest daughter of Canoe Lake cottager and Tom Thompson neighbour Hugh Trainor. Various sources grant Winnie the status of friend, companion, lover or fiancé. Roy MacGregor, author of Canoe Lake, theorizes that Winnie may have been carrying Tom’s baby at the time of the artist’s death. Winnie was also admired by another Canoe Lake regular, a star player in the Thompson mystery: Martin Bletcher.

Bletcher and Thompson simply did not get along. This was a rarity given most accounts of Tom’s relations with Canoe Lakers. Their mutual disdain went beyond a competing interest in Winnie Trainor; Bletcher eventually found another woman to call his wife. Their larger disagreement stemmed from World War One. The two men had a public argument that occurred just two days before the artist disappeared. Bletcher, a young American of German heritage was thought to be hiding at Canoe Lake to avoid the U.S. military draft. Thompson had friends painting and fighting the war, and desperately wanted to join them. The public dispute ended with Bletcher reportedly screaming at Thompson, “don’t get in my way if you know what’s good for you!”

Beginning in 1915 Tom Thompson had done all he could to get out of Bletcher’s way and into the trenches. Tom had attempted on three different occasions to gain immediate overseas deployment in the Canadian fusiliers. He even traveled 300km’s to a western Ontario recruitment centre. All three times he was turned down on account of his “flat feet.”

After his final rejection, Thompson was offered a position as an Algonquin Park ranger. Because of military enlistment, Thompson’s friends, Mark Godin and Mark Robinson, were among the few remaining rangers in the park. Essentially a local police force, Thompson was pleased that if he couldn’t fight overseas, he could at least take the place of a fighting ranger at home.

Had Thompson lived, he would have become, among his friends and in his area of the park, the “third pistol.” Godin and Robinson would eventually spend all their energies trying to uncover what really happened to their friend on his final day.

The investigation began as questions regarding Thompson’s death made their way around Canoe Lake. Could Tom have lost his balance, hit his head on the canoe or a rock, and simply fallen in? Could such a tumble have caused the serious wound on his head? Why was his canoe –a vehicle easy to tip, but difficulty to flip– upside down? Why was a paddle tied into the canoe –as if for portaging– with a knotting method unknown to Tom’s friends or family? Why was fishing line wrapped around Tom’s leg? Why didn’t he surface for over a week? And what did Martin Bletcher have to say?

When a coroner arrived to conduct an inquest, he was met at the train station by Martin Bletcher’s father. After dinning with the Bletcher’s, the coroner made it known that the inquiry would be held inside the Bletcher cottage. After interviewing locals and rangers, the official version of events was upheld: Tom tipped and hit his head on the way in.

Things only get stranger after the inquest. Tom’s family asked to have his body moved from the Canoe Lake cemetery where he was buried, to a plot in Leith, Ontario. A portly, middle aged undertaker arrived at night to execute the order. As the undertaker prepared to leave the next morning with Tom’s body in tow, Mark Robinson found it hard to believe the macabre man’s story. The undertaker claimed to have dug up the old grave, transferred Tom into a new coffin, refilled the hole, and done it all by his lonesome, in a matter of four hours, in the pitch of night. As Robinson helped the man lift the casket onto the train, he noticed how light it felt, as if no one was inside.

Many, including Winnie Trainor, believed Tom was still buried at Canoe Lake. She would still visit the site of his original grave. This may be the ritual referenced in the third verse of Three Pistols. In order to avoid drawing attention to her pilgrimage, and perhaps to ensure that she and Tom would be free from ghost hunters and tourists, Winnie was known to wait until dark before making her way to the small Canoe Lake cemetery. She would maintain the site, sweeping away any debris or trinkets left by admirers. Despite Thompson’s official removal, a body was discovered in his grave in 1970, and many devoted fans still visit the cemetery. Tom’s sister eventually told the Globe and Mail that she believed her brother was left in Algonquin Park. Other family members maintained he was re-buried at Leith.

Perhaps the most poetic and visually striking line in the song is the lyric “I say, bring on the brand new renaissance/cause I think I’m ready/I’ve been shaking all night long
/but my hands are steady.”

Thompson was legendary for wanting to capture an entire event in one image. He would become anxious; even physically twitch if he felt he was missing something he should be painting. Mark Robinson recalled such an incident. As he was speaking to Tom, he began to notice that the artist was fidgeting and peering over his shoulder. Robinson could see, through a window opposite, that a winter storm was commencing. Thompson, still feigning interest, began to nervously tap his fingers on the table before finally interrupting the one sided conversation and explaining to Robinson that he just had to paint what he was seeing.

One famous occasion, which may be the inspiration for the last lines in the verse, saw Tom painting outside in the frigid winter. Though his body shook from the cold, he warmed his hand with a fire, managing to paint with an incredible steadiness and ease.

That graceful and elegiac image of Thompson, creating art amidst his elements, is the landscape that emerges every time I hear Three Pistols. The song deals with a tragic accident and the all too familiar artistic misfortune of receiving recognition only after losing your life. In addition to being a straight laced rock tune with a bluesy roadhouse attitude, Three Pistols is a tribute to the difficult, humbling and often thankless work of those who create. It honours a man not because he died young, but because he made the most of his potential energy. A later Hip song would begin with the lyric “use it up/don’t save a thing for later.” Tom Thompson left nothing but his body at Canoe Lake. He left his soul to a collection of canvases, and his spirit of relentless toil to artists everywhere.
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#36

I personally think he fell out of his canoe trying to take a leak....it's not a very romantic theory, and it probably wouldn't make for a good book...but it's kinda funny nonetheless.

If he is looking down on all of us up in heaven, I think he'd find it pretty damn comical that all of these theories circulate about his disappearance when he knows full well he should have just waited till he got to shore to drain the tank.

Goulet!!!
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#37

Yeah, right, "goulet." We know you offed him for spilling the freemason beans.

Seriously, it's not dissimilar to the death of Princess Diana, or Elvis, or Jimi Hendrix; people go looking for alternatives because it's difficult to admit that an icon could die of something dumb.

Like being assassinated by Robert the Headless Freemason Gunner, for example.... yeah, you don't fool me!
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#38

Wow... the history and research done here is really interesting. I just spent a half hour reading this topic - and I'm at work. What a way to make the day go by!
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#39

Dame, this stuff really intrigues me. I have never fully understood everything in Fiddler's Green. Got an explanation?

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#40

"Fiddler's green" is a sort of traditional valhalla, normally associated with sailors. There are a few folk-song references, but the oldest I've found is actually a post-Civil-War US Cavalry song. So a boy in fiddler's green has, obviously, passed on.

Since the idea of fiddler's green is normally associated with sailors, that explains the whole nautical thing running through the song.

Falstaff shows up there, and of course he was Shakespeare's all-purpose clown. I'm not aware of any connection between Falstaff and fiddler's green, though I haven't really looked. Downie seems to cast himself in the role, since he's the one singing a sorrowful refrain, so I think that explains it.

I've always figured Sept. 17 would have been the dead boy's birthday, but that's where we start veering into irrelevant personal details.
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#41

skippy the wonder dog Wrote:"Fiddler's green" is a sort of traditional valhalla, normally associated with sailors. There are a few folk-song references, but the oldest I've found is actually a post-Civil-War US Cavalry song. So a boy in fiddler's green has, obviously, passed on.

Since the idea of fiddler's green is normally associated with sailors, that explains the whole nautical thing running through the song.

Falstaff shows up there, and of course he was Shakespeare's all-purpose clown. I'm not aware of any connection between Falstaff and fiddler's green, though I haven't really looked. Downie seems to cast himself in the role, since he's the one singing a sorrowful refrain, so I think that explains it.

I've always figured Sept. 17 would have been the dead boy's birthday, but that's where we start veering into irrelevant personal details.

Yep. I'm leaving it out of the book since the boys don't play it, and probably don't want people digging in to it. But "Have Not Been The Same" adds that the song was written about Charles Gillespie who died of a heart ailment.

He passed away on Sept 17, 1990. Gillespie was Gord's nephew.

The song is a straight forward elegaic tribute to Gillespie, with the mournful imagery of Gord's sister remembering her son serving as the narrative.

It was never supposed to make the album, remaining a strictly personal song, but was added at her request.
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#42

robert goulet Wrote:I personally think he fell out of his canoe trying to take a leak....it's not a very romantic theory, and it probably wouldn't make for a good book...but it's kinda funny nonetheless.

Personally, I think there's way too much contrary evidence to support it, but Canoe Lake goes with that explaination since it's the most logical way for someone to die in a canoe. The book even cites a medical condition which Tom may or may not have had (based on medication he was taking) which caused him dizzy spells, and suggests that the wire around his ankle was to support a strained or broken bone. Hence; stood, got dizzy, ankle buckled, fell in...

Either way, it's the life that makes him interesting to me, not the death.
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#43

Stephen Dame Wrote:
robert goulet Wrote:I personally think he fell out of his canoe trying to take a leak....it's not a very romantic theory, and it probably wouldn't make for a good book...but it's kinda funny nonetheless.

Personally, I think there's way too much contrary evidence to support it, but Canoe Lake goes with that explaination since it's the most logical way for someone to die in a canoe. The book even cites a medical condition which Tom may or may not have had (based on medication he was taking) which caused him dizzy spells, and suggests that the wire around his ankle was to support a strained or broken bone. Hence; stood, got dizzy, ankle buckled, fell in...

Either way, it's the life that makes him interesting to me, not the death.

Very true...very well written piece Stephen. I look forward to the rest of it.
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#44

If you're gonna put something together, I'm going out on a week-long canoe trip in Algonquin this spring as soon as the temps come up a little bit.. I'd be more than happy to donate any pics that I will be taking to the project... You can check out my stuff from an earlier day trip to Algonquin on my website: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://threeflavours.tripod.com">http://threeflavours.tripod.com</a><!-- m --> just click on the Algonquin link!
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Very nicely done, Dame!

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