[lord brazle]

If you don't agree with my opinion, fine. But trying to make it sound like I'm anti-immigrant is low - even for you.

Um, I don't think he was trying to make you sound anti-immigrant.
He was responding to what you said;

I do take issue with Bell being on this list. Ummm, shouldn't one criteria for Greatest Canadian be that he/she has to be Canadian?

If you guys want to get technical and define "Canadian"...

Main Entry: Ca·na·di·an
Pronunciation: k&-'nA-dE-&n
Function: noun
: a native or inhabitant of Canada
- Canadian adjective

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My great-great-grandma on my dad's side came over from Scotland or something and we know we have some "Native" in us with no evidence to support it. (Apparently she was bored with great-great-grandpa or something but of course, no-one would ever put something like that in writing just so I wouldn't have to pay taxes) I was born here and I am Canadian. Never left since. Jim Carrey recently became an American citizen, does that remove the fact he's from Jackson's Point? Is he now American and not Canadian? Is he Canadian with American citizenship? I'd say he the latter, born in Canada, now residing in the US... It's a very interesting topic to discuss but resorting to insults and attacking someone's choice-of-words is no way to go about it. I personally didn't find anything wrong in what Stephen said about "Immigrants are not Canadian?" because that seems like what you started the debate about.

[cferneyh]

I personally didn't find anything wrong in what Stephen said about "Immigrants are not Canadian?" because that seems like what you started the debate about.

I didn't start any debate. I explained why I voted for Terry Fox and not for others. As per usual, the Great Stephen Dame decided that he had to attack MY OPINION. No one - and certainly not I - asked for Dame's opinion on my opinion. If he didn't agree with me, he could have quite easily kept it to himself, but instead he chose to make a post that infers that my opinion is not that I feel that Bell is really not a Canadian, but that all immigrants are not Canadian. So tell me, who started the "debate"?

[cferneyh]

My mistake. After doing a quick search and finding out that Bell lived in Brantford for all of NINE MONTHS, how could I not consider him Canadian? Particularly when he was educated in Edinburgh, did virtually all of his work in the US, and got American citizenship in 1882. Clearly that's the same as an immigrant who moves to Canada, gets Canadian citizenship, and lives here for the rest of his/ her life. What was I thinking saying that I don't really consider him to be Canadian?

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[grooveless touque]

Umm...Alexander Graham Bell lived and worked in Cape Breton. Baddeck, specifically. He designed aircraft and watercraft there. He's even buried there!!

There's a very nice museum in Baddeck that would be happy to tell you more of his exploits...

[cferneyh]

Umm...Alexander Graham Bell lived and worked in Cape Breton. Baddeck, specifically. He designed aircraft and watercraft there. He's even buried there!!

There's a very nice museum in Baddeck that would be happy to tell you more of his exploits...

So, according to that criteria, if Bill Gates retired to Cape Breton and dabbled in stuff other than software while he was there, and then he was buried there, we should consider him Canadian? Sorry, I don't agree with that as criteria. I've already posted it - the guy was born in Scotland, educated in Edinburgh, and did the bulk of what he is famous for in Boston. Just because he lived in Brantford for nine months and retired to Nova Scotia does not make him a Canadian in my books.

There are so many Canadians who have done so many great things, I don't see why we have to grasp at people with very loose Canadian ties.

[Stephen Dame]

Hey, did anybody see the Gretzky broadcast? I'm interested to see what arguments were used to justify his spot... charity work I'm assuming. Anybody know?

[tommygunn]

Hey, did anybody see the Gretzky broadcast? I'm interested to see what arguments were used to justify his spot... charity work I'm assuming. Anybody know?

I saw it. Kind of a strange presentation for the first bit, an amusement park was the locale for a good portion. cratch:
Her (Reform Party MP Deborah Grey) main argument was that he was the greatest hockey player ever and therefore deserves to be called the greatest Canadian ever.
CBC Newsworld will re-broadcast it tomorrow 8 p.m. ET , 11 p.m. ET , 2 a.m. ET and 5 a.m. ET (Friday)

P.S. At the end of the show they showed the standings thus far.
Tommy Douglas was in the lead, followed by Terry Fox.

[Stephen Dame]

Hey, did anybody see the Gretzky broadcast? I'm interested to see what arguments were used to justify his spot... charity work I'm assuming. Anybody know?

I saw it. Kind of a strange presentation for the first bit, an amusement park was the locale for a good portion. cratch:
Her (Reform Party MP Deborah Grey) main argument was that he was the greatest hockey player ever and therefore deserves to be called the greatest Canadian ever.
CBC Newsworld will re-broadcast it tomorrow 8 p.m. ET , 11 p.m. ET , 2 a.m. ET and 5 a.m. ET (Friday)

P.S. At the end of the show they showed the standings thus far.
Tommy Douglas was in the lead, followed by Terry Fox.

Cool. Thanks. I'd expect Terry's number to go up once his episode airs.

[grooveless touque]

I can't call a sports star the greatest Canadian ever. He's a corporate schill. He entertained us, but left no enduring mark on Canadian society.

[skippy the wonder dog]

I can't wait to hear the argument for Don Cherry....

[akoso]

A.G.Bell, no doubt. Suzuki is brilliant, Trudeau was a lovable oddball, and Wayne Gretzky kept us all entertained...but for sheer impact on today's Canada, nobody could touch Bell.

Definitely... made the internet possible too.

I think that might be pushing it... and if A.G. Bell gets credit for making the internet possible, then so does the guy who invented the wheel... and a hell of a lot of other things as a result.

[lord brazle]

A.G.Bell, no doubt. Suzuki is brilliant, Trudeau was a lovable oddball, and Wayne Gretzky kept us all entertained...but for sheer impact on today's Canada, nobody could touch Bell.

Definitely... made the internet possible too.

I think that might be pushing it... and if A.G. Bell gets credit for making the internet possible, then so does the guy who invented the wheel... and a hell of a lot of other things as a result.

You do realize that the internet was a renovation of the phone-line? :wink:

[senschic]

Wow when I said it was gonna be between Fox and Trudeau I was actually right for once lol

[grooveless touque]

A.G.Bell, no doubt. Suzuki is brilliant, Trudeau was a lovable oddball, and Wayne Gretzky kept us all entertained...but for sheer impact on today's Canada, nobody could touch Bell.

Definitely... made the internet possible too.

I think that might be pushing it... and if A.G. Bell gets credit for making the internet possible, then so does the guy who invented the wheel... and a hell of a lot of other things as a result.

That's why I said the greatest impact on modern Canadian life. I'm not saying he gets CREDIT for inventing the internet, but he certainly made the impact that led to it. There is so much we wouldn't be capable of today without him. His work in Cape Breton on aeronautical exploration made a lot possible too. It is often said of the Wright Brothers that they built the world's first aircraft, but they couldn't build the second one." The Wrights had no enduring aeronautical expertise. Bell's theories and creations had a much bigger impact on the future of aviation.

[digital_graffiti]

C'mon... it's gotta be Tommy Douglas.
The man is responsible for developing something that has touched EVERY Canadian's life for the better.