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Man Machine Poem (the album)

I'm still processing the new album...I like it more with new listen. Definitely a grower not a shower for me. Day For Night was the first Hip album I bought on release day and I remember thinking how different it sounded to the previous record. It took a while to warm up to, but soon became one of my favourites. I don't think I could ever pick my overall favourite album...it's a bit of a Sophie's choice situation. They all resonate with me in their own way. The only album I don't completely love is In Between Evolution, an album that gets a lot of love here.
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Escape@Hand Wrote:All that to say, I can find many things to enjoy on every Hip album.

Totally agree with this. In my humble opinion, the Hip have never made a truly bad album. Sure there are albums that I prefer more than others, and a couple that I hardly ever listen to, if ever (WATS, the EP). But even a sub-standard Hip album is still fairly solid for the most part, and is often better than 90% of the shite that passes for music on mainstream radio these days. Looking back over their entire discography, the Hip have been remarkably consistent with the overall quality of their music. The fact that they're still such a creative force 30+ years into their career says a lot about how special and unique this band is. Not to mention the fact that we're still talking about them and having these kinds of debates with each other every time they put out new material. That's pretty rare when you stop to think about it.
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direwolf74 Wrote:
Escape@Hand Wrote:All that to say, I can find many things to enjoy on every Hip album.

Totally agree with this. In my humble opinion, the Hip have never made a truly bad album. Sure there are albums that I prefer more than others, and a couple that I hardly ever listen to, if ever (WATS, the EP). But even a sub-standard Hip album is still fairly solid for the most part, and is often better than 90% of the shite that passes for music on mainstream radio these days. Looking back over their entire discography, the Hip have been remarkably consistent with the overall quality of their music. The fact that they're still such a creative force 30+ years into their career says a lot about how special and unique this band is. Not to mention the fact that we're still talking about them and having these kinds of debates with each other every time they put out new material. That's pretty rare when you stop to think about it.

To paraphrase Michael Stipe, nary a turd in the punch bowl.

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carebread and the darkest one, I disliked M@W for years and years. So I understand that response.

I finally locked into that album a few months ago. The key, to my ear anyway, was to omit 'Tiger the Lion,' 'The Bastard' and above all 'Wild Mountain Honey' from the track list. Bob's yer uncle.

I certainly agree that every Hip album has *something* worth hearing. Even WC, which I loathe with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suns, has 'The Kids Don't Get It,' which I love; as well as 'Family Band,' 'The Drop Off' (marred as it is by Gord's choosing to sing in a high register), and 'Rink,' a fine song that really needed an intimate treatment to be fully effective. Some days I can even stand 'Ocean' and 'In View,' even though every time Rock's piano drops into the former I want to puke.
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direwolf74 Wrote:The fact that they're still such a creative force 30+ years into their career says a lot about how special and unique this band is. Not to mention the fact that we're still talking about them and having these kinds of debates with each other every time they put out new material. That's pretty rare when you stop to think about it.
Exactly. The music is great but what really makes this band stand out is the longevity of their partnership. Name one other band that remained active, popular and relevant for thirty years without one change in personnel.
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The biggest indictment of the Bob Rock years is that most of the songs, if not all, sound great live, but for me, wholly unlistenable as studio versions. Rock has done some solid work with bands like the Cult and the Offspring. He has completely destroyed others like the Hip and Metallica. Unlike WC and WATS, the production on MMP adds value. It's the first Hip album since PP that I don't skip over whole songs or in WC and WATS cases, whole albums.
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For anyone who missed it in the other thread, I recorded the album preview/Q&A with Rob Baker from the Sirius XM channel. Please don't post the link elsewhere, but do enjoy! Some good info on the recording process and insight into producers, unreleased songs, etc.

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Oyberg Wrote:For anyone who missed it in the other thread, I recorded the album preview/Q&A with Rob Baker from the Sirius XM channel. Please don't post the link elsewhere, but do enjoy! Some good info on the recording process and insight into producers, unreleased songs, etc.

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Beauty. Thanks, man.
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Oyberg Wrote:For anyone who missed it in the other thread, I recorded the album preview/Q&A with Rob Baker from the Sirius XM channel. Please don't post the link elsewhere, but do enjoy! Some good info on the recording process and insight into producers, unreleased songs, etc.

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Listening now. Thanks for this!
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andrew sharpe Wrote:
direwolf74 Wrote:The fact that they're still such a creative force 30+ years into their career says a lot about how special and unique this band is. Not to mention the fact that we're still talking about them and having these kinds of debates with each other every time they put out new material. That's pretty rare when you stop to think about it.
Exactly. The music is great but what really makes this band stand out is the longevity of their partnership. Name one other band that remained active, popular and relevant for thirty years without one change in personnel.

U2 is the only one I can think of.
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Very cool interview with Rob Baker :thumb: His speaking voice sounds weirdly like Brian Mulroney. Put that in your bong and smoke it.

A couple of thoughts. First, it bugs me that the interviewer didn't push him when he said that he liked ONE of the two albums produced by Steve Berlin and ONE of the two by Bob Rock. Which ones???? Always hate it when a performer volunteers a tantalizing tidbit and the interviewer lets it drop. (I'm assuming it was the first of both pairs, but that's just a guess).

I'm delighted at how frequently Rob's thoughts seem to align with my own musical preferences. He is clearly quite indifferent to the polished, clean track-by-track approach to recording that producers love. You could almost hear his irritation that the producers couldn't work with the mixes from the attic of the Bath House, for instance. He's a live-off-the-floor guy who cares more about the feel than about leakage, technical issues, etc., and I couldn't agree more. It's also interesting that 'Machine' is his favourite track (mine too) and that he wanted it to lead off the album (which I also agree with!). Go, Bobby, go!!

Intriguing to learn that the Hip are a hard band to work with ('like the UN Security Council'). More probing of that would also have been nice. Are they just five strong-willed guys, or what? In what sense are they harder to work with than your average band?

It was a telling moment when he distinguished albums for which they were 'really prepared' - a period he defined as ending either at DFN or PP - from the rest. It's at exactly the point where that ends that fan/listener consensus tends to break down and we get the much more mixed sentiments that characterize our responses to their later work. Again, this speaks to Rob's view that live performance is everything; a band is never so locked in as when it's on the road, making music together daily, and albums tend to go best when they come out of that cauldron of organic connection. But as he says, it's hard to sustain that as artists get older. That remark about physiotherapy was priceless :lol:
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direwolf74 Wrote:
andrew sharpe Wrote:
direwolf74 Wrote:The fact that they're still such a creative force 30+ years into their career says a lot about how special and unique this band is. Not to mention the fact that we're still talking about them and having these kinds of debates with each other every time they put out new material. That's pretty rare when you stop to think about it.
Exactly. The music is great but what really makes this band stand out is the longevity of their partnership. Name one other band that remained active, popular and relevant for thirty years without one change in personnel.

U2 is the only one I can think of.
Radiohead formed in 1985
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Killer Whale Tank Wrote:Very cool interview with Rob Baker :thumb: His speaking voice sounds weirdly like Brian Mulroney. Put that in your bong and smoke it.

A couple of thoughts. First, it bugs me that the interviewer didn't push him when he said that he liked ONE of the two albums produced by Steve Berlin and ONE of the two by Bob Rock. Which ones???? Always hate it when a performer volunteers and tantalizing tidbit and the interviewer lets it drop. (I'm assuming it was the first of both pairs, but that's just a guess).

I'm delighted at how frequently Rob's thoughts seem to align with my own musical preferences. He is clearly quite indifferent to the polished, clean track-by-track approach to recording that producers love. You could almost hear his irritation that the producers couldn't work with the mixes from the attic of the Bath House, for instance. He's a live-off-the-floor guy who cares more about the feel than about leakage, technical issues, etc., and I couldn't agree more. It's also interesting that 'Machine' is his favourite track (mine too) and that he wanted it to lead off the album (which I also agree with!). Go, Bobby, go!!

Intriguing to learn that the Hip are a hard band to work with ('like the UN Security Council'). More probing of that would also have been nice. Are they just five strong-willed guys, or what? In what sense are they harder to work with than your average band?

It was a telling moment when he distinguished albums for which they were 'really prepared' - a period he defined as ending either at DFN or PP - with the rest. It's at exactly the point where that ends that fan/listener consensus tends to break down and we get the much more mixed sentiments that characterize our responses to their later work. Again, this speaks to Rob's view that live performance is everything; a band is never so locked in as when it's on the road, making music together daily, and albums tend to go best when they come out of that cauldron of organic connection. But as he says, it's hard to sustain that as artists get older. That remark about physiotherapy was priceless :lol:

As a radio announcer I found that the interviewer was awful

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andrew sharpe Wrote:
direwolf74 Wrote:The fact that they're still such a creative force 30+ years into their career says a lot about how special and unique this band is. Not to mention the fact that we're still talking about them and having these kinds of debates with each other every time they put out new material. That's pretty rare when you stop to think about it.
Exactly. The music is great but what really makes this band stand out is the longevity of their partnership. Name one other band that remained active, popular and relevant for thirty years without one change in personnel.

Is RUSH well known in Canada? ;D
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Killer Whale Tank Wrote:You could almost hear his irritation that the producers couldn't work with the mixes from the attic of the Bath House, for instance. He's a live-off-the-floor guy who cares more about the feel than about leakage, technical issues, etc., and I couldn't agree more.
It's a shame they never got to work with Ian Blurton. He's an off the floor guy I think.
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