[tigerthelion]

well Simon should be kicked out of the league based on the original precedent set by the McSorley incident. However, based on that precedent Bertuzzi should have been kicked out of the league, but as everyone knows "stars" like him would never be kicked out of the league. Simon is not a star in any sence and I think that the NHL might kick him out of the league to make it look like they're tough on these types of incidents.

I know this theory is pretty extreme but I've always been a believer in the idea that a player should be suspended for however many games the person he injures misses as a result of an intentionally dirty act, unless the player doesn't miss alot of games but the act in question warrants a suspension for a longer period of time. If someone completes a dirty knee to knee hit intentionally and knocks a player out for the rest of the season, suspend that player for the rest of the season.

Simon's act was far more malicious than Bertuzzi's. 99 times out 100 Steve Moore DOESN'T break his neck from a punch WITH A GLOVE ON from a player. Hollwig is lucky he didn't break his jaw, lose all his teeth, and need radical surgery to fix a deformed face.

I don't agree with the idea of suspending a player for as long as his victim is out. The only logical solution to take care of suspensions is to weaken the NHLPA's power and for Campbell to actually give out suspensions that aren't slaps on the wrist. Emery should have been out at least 15 games, Jansenn should have got at least 10 games, Simon, with his history, should never lace up his skates in the NHL again. The NHLPA represents the guilty player but also represents the victim. However, I'm pretty sure the NHLPA would fight the NHL to the death if they thought a player was suspened too harshly. For instance, if Emery was given a 20 game suspension (which would have been warranted) I'm sure the NHLPA would have been up in arms and would put tons of pressure on the NHL to reduce the length of suspension.

Peope get all worked up over Nichol when he punched Spacek earlier this season. Nichol should have gotten about 3 games for that. A punch is 1000000X less dangerous than a stick(aka weapon). It's these stick infractions, along with hitting from behind, that the NHL needs to come down on hard.

[second_sight_kyle]

Simon's act was far more malicious than Bertuzzi's. 99 times out 100 Steve Moore DOESN'T break his neck from a punch WITH A GLOVE ON from a player.

Are you nuts???

[tigerthelion]

Simon's act was far more malicious than Bertuzzi's. 99 times out 100 Steve Moore DOESN'T break his neck from a punch WITH A GLOVE ON from a player.

Are you nuts???

Give me a break. Maybe five guys piling on Moore after the hit had something to do with his broken neck. Bertuzzi's act, in and of itself, was not that violent. A punch with a glove on happens in almost every NHL game. The problem was that it was a punch from behind but even so, Simon's act of violence could have literally killed Hollweg if his stick had caught him on the temple instead of the jaw.

[second_sight_kyle]

Give me a break. Maybe five guys piling on Moore after the hit had something to do with his broken neck. Bertuzzi's act, in and of itself, was not that violent. A punch with a glove on happens in almost every NHL game. The problem was that it was a punch from behind but even so, Simon's act of violence could have literally killed Hollweg if his stick had caught him on the temple instead of the jaw.

He used his weight to plow Moore's head into the ice from behind. Explain how that act, "in and of itself," isn't that violent? I suppose Bertuzzi's act couldn't have literally killed Moore though, everyone knows neck injuries aren't that serious. Especially not as serious as a stick to the jaw. My original question stands, are you actually nuts?

[skippy the wonder dog]

Tiger, it wasn't a punch with a glove on. Bertuzzi jumped on Moore and rode him down to the ice. He drove his head into the ice.

If it was a punch, I would agree with you. But that's not what actually happened.

[tth_fan]

Anybody else watch OTR tonight? Michael was pissed at that Detroit Red Wings scout!

michael really needs to get over himself and that haircut..that show is a fucking joke..does landsberg know there are other canadian teams besides the leafs??? i'd much rather watch 'to the point' on The Score instead

I don't mind The Spin...Steve Ludzik is the funniest hockey critic on sports TV!!
Sure, Steve Kouleas screams a lot, but they have some pretty decent opinions most of the time.

[ryan93]

I still like OTR, though i agree he spends way too much time just talking about the Leafs, and the last week he's devoted pretty well the entire panel discussing the Tomas Kaberle/Cam Janssen incident. Jenna Jameson is one of the guests on Monday, does she actually know anything about sports, and in particular hockey?

[skippy the wonder dog]

Jenna Jameson is one of the guests on Monday, does she actually know anything about sports, and in particular hockey?

My guess is she dislikes all organized ball games except for one.

[VioletlightHeron]

Jenna Jameson is one of the guests on Monday, does she actually know anything about sports, and in particular hockey?

My guess is she dislikes all organized ball games except for one.

My guess is she only knows how to play table tennis. :lol:

[tigerthelion]

Tiger, it wasn't a punch with a glove on. Bertuzzi jumped on Moore and rode him down to the ice. He drove his head into the ice.

If it was a punch, I would agree with you. But that's not what actually happened.

Actually, from watching the clip a gazillion times, I've come to the conclusion that Bertuzzi's momentum carried him down with Moore. I do not believe that he intentionally tried to pile Moore's head into the ice. It looked to me like he skated up to Moore from behind, punched him and kind of just went down with Moore. Either way Bertuzzi is an idiot but I stand by my statement that Simon was extremely unlucky that he didn't permanently maim Hollweg and Moore was extremely unlucky that he broke his neck.

BTW, since when does a broken neck affect somebody's speech? I watched Moore on The Score (nice rhyme) and he sounded like he just recovered from a stroke or something. It was like he was struggling just to speak. I think Moore will go to any lengths to act like a downtrodden (SP?), poor, innocent victim. Ok, we get it, Steve. You don't like Bertuzzi. I wouldn't like him either if I were you but your 15 minutes of fame are up. Your own teammates in Colorado gave you the cold shoulder. That should be enough of a message for ya. :rambo: It's funny that none of this would have happened if Moore didn't go out of his way to make a name for himself by trying to injure a superstar. hock:

[tigerthelion]

HOW ABOUT THOSE CANUCKS! :rambo: WOOOOOOOOO! :rambo:

[second_sight_kyle]

BTW, since when does a broken neck affect somebody's speech?

He suffered a severe concussion as well, and a broken neck obviously alters blood flow to the brain. After a concussion your brain is working overtime, and even a few seconds of restricted blood flow is going to cause very serious damage (ie. in Moore's case, the brain needs more blood than normal, and is getting supplied with less blood than normal). I'd actually ask the opposite question...how does a concussion and a broken neck not affect somebody's speech?

[tommygunn]

A punch with a glove on happens in almost every NHL game.

What games are you watching?? hock:

I rarely see someone throw a punch with gloves still on...

[fingernailsonhull]

Jenna Jameson is one of the guests on Monday, does she actually know anything about sports, and in particular hockey?

My guess is she dislikes all organized ball games except for one.

Well struck.

[emperor penguin]

Actually, from watching the clip a gazillion times, I've come to the conclusion that Bertuzzi's momentum carried him down with Moore. I do not believe that he intentionally tried to pile Moore's head into the ice.

So what?? I'm sure Bertuzzi didn't go out on to the ice with the intention of breaking someones kneck, it doesnt change the fact that it still happened.