[tth_fan]

New York Islanders forward Chris Simon has been suspended indefinitely without pay, pending a hearing, for slashing New York Rangers forward Ryan Hellweg in the face.

Looks like the league has decided to crack down....too late, if you ask me. McSorley, Bertuzzi, Simon...there'll be more to come.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=199406&hubname=

[Corpse]

without pay too. Nice

[ryan93]

A side note to the game last night...is there a stat out there that shows who has drawn the most penalties in the NHL this season? Sean Avery has got to be high on that list. Since he's joined the Rangers, he draws at least 1 penalty a night, often more. Last night the Islanders took 3 penalties against him, most needless. For example, he took down Sean Hill in front of the net, and then the puck went to the corner so Avery went to get it, so Hill goes up & gives him 3 or 4 cross checks to the back, takes a penalty, and the Rangers scored to tie it 1-1.

[cferneyh]

I know this isn't the most politically correct thing to say, but damn, am I ever sick and tired of Steve Moore's pity party. In the last 24 hours I've come across three different interviews that he's granted where he's completely willing to talk about "The Incident" all over again, yet in every interview he says that he wants to put it behind him but he can't. Uh, maybe cut back on the interviews Steve.

In one of the interviews he pointed out how Bertuzzi has never personally apologized for the incident. Of course, he doesn't mention that Bertuzzi was turned away by Moore's people at the hospital and that Moore has never allowed Bertuzzi to speak with him personally, but still, Bertuzzi has never personally apologized.

Now I'm not condoning what Bertuzzi did.....and it's pretty obvious that Bertuzzi is a Grade A jackass, but Moore's non-stop campaign to win over public sentiment has grown tiresome, particularly when he says things like said he figures he's missed 182 NHL games because of The Incident, and counting - yet prior to The Incident he had played exactly 67 career games in the 7 years since being drafted.

[Hard Canadian]

simon out indefinatly.... i hope this means playoffs too if the isles make it that far.

[second_sight_kyle]

I know this isn't the most politically correct thing to say, but damn, am I ever sick and tired of Steve Moore's pity party. In the last 24 hours I've come across three different interviews that he's granted where he's completely willing to talk about "The Incident" all over again, yet in every interview he says that he wants to put it behind him but he can't. Uh, maybe cut back on the interviews Steve.

In one of the interviews he pointed out how Bertuzzi has never personally apologized for the incident. Of course, he doesn't mention that Bertuzzi was turned away by Moore's people at the hospital and that Moore has never allowed Bertuzzi to speak with him personally, but still, Bertuzzi has never personally apologized.

Now I'm not condoning what Bertuzzi did.....and it's pretty obvious that Bertuzzi is a Grade A jackass, but Moore's non-stop campaign to win over public sentiment has grown tiresome, particularly when he says things like said he figures he's missed 182 NHL games because of The Incident, and counting - yet prior to The Incident he had played exactly 67 career games in the 7 years since being drafted.

Yeah I pretty much agree with you, luckily I only had to watch the 1 TSN interview. Bertuzzi and Moore are both "Grade A Jackasses" in their special sort of way.

[emperor penguin]

well Simon should be kicked out of the league based on the original precedent set by the McSorley incident. However, based on that precedent Bertuzzi should have been kicked out of the league, but as everyone knows "stars" like him would never be kicked out of the league. Simon is not a star in any sence and I think that the NHL might kick him out of the league to make it look like they're tough on these types of incidents.

I know this theory is pretty extreme but I've always been a believer in the idea that a player should be suspended for however many games the person he injures misses as a result of an intentionally dirty act, unless the player doesn't miss alot of games but the act in question warrants a suspension for a longer period of time. If someone completes a dirty knee to knee hit intentionally and knocks a player out for the rest of the season, suspend that player for the rest of the season.

[skippy the wonder dog]

I know this theory is pretty extreme but I've always been a believer in the idea that a player should be suspended for however many games the person he injures misses as a result of an intentionally dirty act....

I have to disagree with that. If you base punishment on outcomes you're not really punishing dirty play, you're punishing bad luck. And since everyone thinks he'll have good luck, that doesn't deter anyone.

The league should punish a deliberate attempt to injure someone by using the stick as a weapon the same way regardless of the outcome. The fact that LaPierre was unhurt, that Hollweg was cut and that Brashear was knocked cold doesn't make the offender's act any different. Punish the act and the intent, not the outcome.

[emperor penguin]

I know this theory is pretty extreme but I've always been a believer in the idea that a player should be suspended for however many games the person he injures misses as a result of an intentionally dirty act....

I have to disagree with that. If you base punishment on outcomes you're not really punishing dirty play, you're punishing bad luck. And since everyone thinks he'll have good luck, that doesn't deter anyone.

The league should punish a deliberate attempt to injure someone by using the stick as a weapon the same way regardless of the outcome. The fact that LaPierre was unhurt, that Hollweg was cut and that Brashear was knocked cold doesn't make the offender's act any different. Punish the act and the intent, not the outcome.

I agree, but if the play doesn't result in an injury but the act was still dirty then it should be up to the discretion of the NHL to penalize accordingly. All I'm saying is that alot of plays are underpenalized by the league, I think this system of penalization would deter dirty plays better than the current system does. For example, when Paul Kariya was cross checked in the face and missed the rest of the year from a cuncussion, Gary Suter should have also missed the rest of the season instead of the measly 3 games he was suspended for.

[ryan93]

I pretty much agree with you too cferneyh.

[skippy the wonder dog]

I agree, but if the play doesn't result in an injury but the act was still dirty then it should be up to the discretion of the NHL to penalize accordingly.

I agree that this stuff is underpenalized, and that's because it usually doesn't result in serious injury. In my mind,* if an intentional attempt to injure doesn't result in injury it should be penalized as if it had.

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* no cracks about my mind being a frightening place to visit. I know what you're thinking.

[cferneyh]

I agree, but if the play doesn't result in an injury but the act was still dirty then it should be up to the discretion of the NHL to penalize accordingly.

I agree that this stuff is underpenalized, and that's because it usually doesn't result in serious injury. In my mind,* if an intentional attempt to injure doesn't result in injury it should be penalized as if it had.

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* no cracks about my mind being a frightening place to visit. I know what you're thinking.

I honestly think the only way you can get this stuff out of the league - and any of the professional sports leagues for that matter - is a lifetime suspension. If you deliberately try to hurt someone, you are gone.

However, we all know that would never, ever, ever survive any sort of legal challenge.

[ryan93]

Anybody else watch OTR tonight? Michael was pissed at that Detroit Red Wings scout!

[opiated]

Anybody else watch OTR tonight? Michael was pissed at that Detroit Red Wings scout!

michael really needs to get over himself and that haircut..that show is a fucking joke..does landsberg know there are other canadian teams besides the leafs??? i'd much rather watch 'to the point' on The Score instead

[tigerthelion]

I know this isn't the most politically correct thing to say, but damn, am I ever sick and tired of Steve Moore's pity party. In the last 24 hours I've come across three different interviews that he's granted where he's completely willing to talk about "The Incident" all over again, yet in every interview he says that he wants to put it behind him but he can't. Uh, maybe cut back on the interviews Steve.

In one of the interviews he pointed out how Bertuzzi has never personally apologized for the incident. Of course, he doesn't mention that Bertuzzi was turned away by Moore's people at the hospital and that Moore has never allowed Bertuzzi to speak with him personally, but still, Bertuzzi has never personally apologized.

Now I'm not condoning what Bertuzzi did.....and it's pretty obvious that Bertuzzi is a Grade A jackass, but Moore's non-stop campaign to win over public sentiment has grown tiresome, particularly when he says things like said he figures he's missed 182 NHL games because of The Incident, and counting - yet prior to The Incident he had played exactly 67 career games in the 7 years since being drafted.

Couldn't have said it better myself.