[cferneyh]

A good buddy of mine has a website that I check out quite often. He has a section on there called "Feedback" and there are two guys that do music reviews. It hasn't been updated in a few years, but one of the guys reviewed IVL and his review was much along the lines of what you guys are talking about in this thread. Check it out: (you have to scroll down a bit)

http://www3.telus.net/bevjen/evjen/chrisfeedback.htm

I ripped into him in the guestbook of the website, but sadly the guestbook doesn't exist anymore so I can't post it for you guys.

It's pretty tough to take that guy seriously when this appears just below the review of IVL:

CREED -- WEATHERED
RELEASE -- NOVEMBER 20, 2001


They are not a critics band, in fact, the critics don't have much good to say about Creed at all. But you can't argue with success, and success is exactly what they have achieved. They hit the top of the charts with four songs off of their debut album "My Own Prision", becoming the first band to do this. Their second release "Human Clay", debuted at #1 on the rock charts and the song "Higher" seemed eternally etched at #1 (17 weeks). So they tested their luck with album #3 "Weathered", and again a #1 debut, solidifying them atop rock and roll supremacy. So I say fuck the critics, Creed proves that making music about things that matter and not just for the love of the almighty dollar can still get it done. They are a very serious band in a serious world and use their lyrics to express their faith, passion, yearning, and love. Many have criticized them for being "Christian Rock", but whether they are or not, these guys alot of sence and alot of good music. They sound the same from debut to latest release, but its a good sound and it never gets boring. So if you like their unhappy and sometimes dismal brand of music, pick this one up, you want be disappointed.

I love his theory that appealing to the lowest common denominator (i.e. record sales) is the definition of "success". He must be a huge Celine Dion fan.

[direwolf74]

It's pretty tough to take that guy seriously when this appears just below the review of IVL:

CREED -- WEATHERED
RELEASE -- NOVEMBER 20, 2001


They are not a critics band, in fact, the critics don't have much good to say about Creed at all. But you can't argue with success, and success is exactly what they have achieved. They hit the top of the charts with four songs off of their debut album "My Own Prision", becoming the first band to do this. Their second release "Human Clay", debuted at #1 on the rock charts and the song "Higher" seemed eternally etched at #1 (17 weeks). So they tested their luck with album #3 "Weathered", and again a #1 debut, solidifying them atop rock and roll supremacy. So I say f**k the critics, Creed proves that making music about things that matter and not just for the love of the almighty dollar can still get it done. They are a very serious band in a serious world and use their lyrics to express their faith, passion, yearning, and love. Many have criticized them for being "Christian Rock", but whether they are or not, these guys alot of sence and alot of good music. They sound the same from debut to latest release, but its a good sound and it never gets boring. So if you like their unhappy and sometimes dismal brand of music, pick this one up, you want be disappointed.

I love his theory that appealing to the lowest common denominator (i.e. record sales) is the definition of "success". He must be a huge Celine Dion fan.

Yikes. Excuse me while I vomit.

[akoso]

Ok... forget the 'sold out' statement... that's just a stupid statement.

But see... I don't think the other statement is a complete fallacy. You might disagree with it, I might disagree with it.... I think that's a complete acknowledgement of the fact that the band has changed, some people just don't like it.

I agree with this. Have the Hip changed since they first hit the rock scene? Yes. Do the last 3 albums sound different than the first 3? Yes. Then since there is a difference, you can obviously like one and dislike the other.

I agree with Goulet that it's annoying when people say a certain band has sold out, just because they have evolved as a band and progressed their sound. However, it also bugs me when people who are hardcore fans of a band disregard other people's comments if they're negative. If someone wants to say the Hip sold out, good luck trying to back that up. But if someone wants to say the new stuff sucks compared to the old, what is there really to argue? Their music is different enough now than it used to be that one can like one era and not another. All you can do is try to convince them to give the new stuff a couple more listens, cause that's how a lot of people come around.

Anthony

[grooveless touque]

They are not a critics band, in fact, the critics don't have much good to say about Creed at all. But you can't argue with success, and success is exactly what they have achieved.

Well, this guy is a hypocrite with a capital H. Isn't he arguing against the success the Hip have had? To paraphrase Homer..."You know me: I like my chili hot, my beer cold, and my hypocrites fla-a-a-aming!"

[tigerthelion]

A good buddy of mine has a website that I check out quite often. He has a section on there called "Feedback" and there are two guys that do music reviews. It hasn't been updated in a few years, but one of the guys reviewed IVL and his review was much along the lines of what you guys are talking about in this thread. Check it out: (you have to scroll down a bit)

http://www3.telus.net/bevjen/evjen/chrisfeedback.htm

I ripped into him in the guestbook of the website, but sadly the guestbook doesn't exist anymore so I can't post it for you guys.

It's pretty tough to take that guy seriously when this appears just below the review of IVL:

CREED -- WEATHERED
RELEASE -- NOVEMBER 20, 2001


They are not a critics band, in fact, the critics don't have much good to say about Creed at all. But you can't argue with success, and success is exactly what they have achieved. They hit the top of the charts with four songs off of their debut album "My Own Prision", becoming the first band to do this. Their second release "Human Clay", debuted at #1 on the rock charts and the song "Higher" seemed eternally etched at #1 (17 weeks). So they tested their luck with album #3 "Weathered", and again a #1 debut, solidifying them atop rock and roll supremacy. So I say f**k the critics, Creed proves that making music about things that matter and not just for the love of the almighty dollar can still get it done. They are a very serious band in a serious world and use their lyrics to express their faith, passion, yearning, and love. Many have criticized them for being "Christian Rock", but whether they are or not, these guys alot of sence and alot of good music. They sound the same from debut to latest release, but its a good sound and it never gets boring. So if you like their unhappy and sometimes dismal brand of music, pick this one up, you want be disappointed.

I love his theory that appealing to the lowest common denominator (i.e. record sales) is the definition of "success". He must be a huge Celine Dion fan.

Yeah, he sounds like a "serious" critic. Look at his OLP review and how he apparently thinks that changing your sound to "more along the lines of Nickleback and Creed" is a GOOD THING! :lol: :lol:

OUR LADY PEACE -- GRAVITY
RELEASE -- JUNE 18, 2002


Our Lady Peace have entered a new realm in their music career, by shedding guitarist Mike Turner and adding Steve Mazur. They have shed their sound from the last couple of albums and have adopted a sound more along the lines of Nickleback and Creed. I think alot of this new direction has to be accredited to rock genius Bob Rock (producer of Metallica and the Cult). He has got the band to refocus on the simple structure of rock, that has made so many other bands huge. Tracks like "All For You" and "Do You Like It" are surely defining their new direction. They the heaviest things since "Naveed" and also are my picks off this album. As someone who is not a big OLP fan, I think this album is definetly one for the CD library.

[BulletRiddled]

Going from what I've read, I'm guessing that site is a parody.

[Billy]

Going from what I've read, I'm guessing that site is a parody.

If you're refering to the site that reviews IVL, it's definately no parody. The guy who owns the site is a good friend of mine and it's his buddy that writes these reviews. Here's the link to the main site:

http://www.evjen.ca/

The reviews are under the "Feedback" section.

[tigerthelion]

It isn't a parody but it really should be when bands like Creed and Nickelback are getting props! It's as satirical as Ashlee Simpson walking up to Bono and giving him lessons on how to sing!!! Of course, everyone has a right to an opinion and he has his so that's cool. I just can't take him seriously.

[j-monster]

Going from what I've read, I'm guessing that site is a parody.

That's what I was thinking when I read that. Like, holy crap, is this guy for real??! :lol: :roll:

[cliff]

I just returned to listening to the hip. I saw them in Buffalo (maybe FC tour) They were awesome.

I initially was not a big fan of IVL or IBE but it is certainly growing on me. I saw them twice recently and again, they were awesome.

Many critics don't give new stuff a chance. I like the new stuff now but would love to see the live shows mix it up a bit. I would like to not see Blow close another show.