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Poll: Have you, or anyone you know ever been to a Dog Fight??? - You do not have permission to vote in this poll.
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08-01-2007, 03:04 PM
NegPhil Wrote:Thanks for the personal attacks.
John Goodwin, manager of animal fighting issues for the Humane Society, drew a connection between Vick’s case and hip-hop. “The growth in dog fighting has been largely fueled by some elements in the popular culture, specifically some rap videos. For example, there is a rapper named DMX. He has a CD named Grand Champ. There is a big pit-bull on the cover and the booklet that comes with the CD describes a champion as a three time winner of dogfights. There is Jay-Z, who had a music video called “99 Problems.” The unedited version had scenes of him handling a dog in a dog fighting pit.”
and Ozzy Osbourne makes me want to kill myself when i listen to Suicide Solution
08-01-2007, 04:57 PM
Why do you insist on making that comparison? It only serves to illustrate your ignorance. My original point was the mainstreaming of an illegal blood sport. I get it. Your a hip hop fan. That does not change the facts. Your attack against me was unnecessary and unprovoked.
Jay-Z and Other Artists Need to Step Up Against Dogfighting
November 1, 2004
By John Goodwin
Despite his recent spats with R. Kelly, hip-hop mogul Jay-Z is riding high these days, with a possible deal to become president of Def Jam Recordings, a Reebok lifestyle line, a place on Fortune magazine's list of the wealthiest 40 Americans under 40, and a video, "99 Problems," that earned four MTV awards this summer, including rap video of the year.
But you'll have to forgive animal advocates if we don't join in the celebration over "99 Problems." With his video's celebration of dog fighting, a vicious pursuit with no positive social value, Jay-Z proves to be just another rapper caught up in the blood rapture. Whatever else the video intends, "99 Problems" offers an irresponsible tribute to a gratuitously cruel and illegal practice that represents one of the most serious threats to the safety of our inner-city residents.
In some ways, Jay-Z's video is just the latest beat in an extended mix of disdain toward canines. A few years ago, DMX admitted that he named his album, Grand Champion, in homage to top-notch fighting dogs, and in 2002 he pled guilty to animal cruelty for having 13 neglected pit bulls in his possession. One major record label has even gone so far as to market its own line of dog food—"Game Dog Professional"—complete with a picture of a fearsome, well-muscled pit bull on the bag.
Of course, there's nothing new about criticizing rap music—whether for glamorizing gang violence or the mistreatment of women or some other social evil—and some might say that dog fighting doesn't belong in this constellation of ills. But there's a reason why this form of animal cruelty is illegal in all 50 states. A closer look reveals its crucial links to the more common forms of violence and misconduct deplored by hip-hop's critics.
Behind the Music
On one level, rap's glorification of animal fighting serves as simply one more symbol of hip-hop's outlaw appeal for the millions of Americans who listen to the music. But the dogs die for real. They are pitted against one another as gladiators in bloody contests in which they attack and bite with crushing force. These fights can go for hours as the dogs slowly tear each other apart.
Dogfighting also threatens the lives of the human residents in every community where the activity thrives. If they aren't shot outright, losing dogs who fail to show "gameness" are released on the streets to fend for themselves. These dogs become an immediate menace to all who encounter them.
A look at pit-bull mauling cases shows that most involve dogs abused in order to make them "mean," and hence, better fighters. Once these dogs lose their natural inclination to see people as friends, they are more prone to attack, often with horrible results.
Some apologists for the violence in hip-hop videos argue that the imagery only reflects the harsh truth of the streets. But in this case, pop culture may have helped to bring about the grim reality. The glorification of fierce pit bulls and organized dogfighting by hip-hop artists coincides with a dramatic increase in dogfighting nationwide, despite a spate of newly enacted state and federal laws.
And there's another reality to confront. Young people often mirror the actions of the celebrities they idolize. Artists who insist on spreading these images through their work must accept their roles in perpetuating community violence. Where are the compassionate voices within the hip-hop world, those who despise dogfighting and the harm it brings to both the animals and the greater community? It's these artists, and not Jay-Z, who now need to be heard.
John Goodwin is an investigator with The Humane Society of the United States
Jay-Z and Other Artists Need to Step Up Against Dogfighting
November 1, 2004
By John Goodwin
Despite his recent spats with R. Kelly, hip-hop mogul Jay-Z is riding high these days, with a possible deal to become president of Def Jam Recordings, a Reebok lifestyle line, a place on Fortune magazine's list of the wealthiest 40 Americans under 40, and a video, "99 Problems," that earned four MTV awards this summer, including rap video of the year.
But you'll have to forgive animal advocates if we don't join in the celebration over "99 Problems." With his video's celebration of dog fighting, a vicious pursuit with no positive social value, Jay-Z proves to be just another rapper caught up in the blood rapture. Whatever else the video intends, "99 Problems" offers an irresponsible tribute to a gratuitously cruel and illegal practice that represents one of the most serious threats to the safety of our inner-city residents.
In some ways, Jay-Z's video is just the latest beat in an extended mix of disdain toward canines. A few years ago, DMX admitted that he named his album, Grand Champion, in homage to top-notch fighting dogs, and in 2002 he pled guilty to animal cruelty for having 13 neglected pit bulls in his possession. One major record label has even gone so far as to market its own line of dog food—"Game Dog Professional"—complete with a picture of a fearsome, well-muscled pit bull on the bag.
Of course, there's nothing new about criticizing rap music—whether for glamorizing gang violence or the mistreatment of women or some other social evil—and some might say that dog fighting doesn't belong in this constellation of ills. But there's a reason why this form of animal cruelty is illegal in all 50 states. A closer look reveals its crucial links to the more common forms of violence and misconduct deplored by hip-hop's critics.
Behind the Music
On one level, rap's glorification of animal fighting serves as simply one more symbol of hip-hop's outlaw appeal for the millions of Americans who listen to the music. But the dogs die for real. They are pitted against one another as gladiators in bloody contests in which they attack and bite with crushing force. These fights can go for hours as the dogs slowly tear each other apart.
Dogfighting also threatens the lives of the human residents in every community where the activity thrives. If they aren't shot outright, losing dogs who fail to show "gameness" are released on the streets to fend for themselves. These dogs become an immediate menace to all who encounter them.
A look at pit-bull mauling cases shows that most involve dogs abused in order to make them "mean," and hence, better fighters. Once these dogs lose their natural inclination to see people as friends, they are more prone to attack, often with horrible results.
Some apologists for the violence in hip-hop videos argue that the imagery only reflects the harsh truth of the streets. But in this case, pop culture may have helped to bring about the grim reality. The glorification of fierce pit bulls and organized dogfighting by hip-hop artists coincides with a dramatic increase in dogfighting nationwide, despite a spate of newly enacted state and federal laws.
And there's another reality to confront. Young people often mirror the actions of the celebrities they idolize. Artists who insist on spreading these images through their work must accept their roles in perpetuating community violence. Where are the compassionate voices within the hip-hop world, those who despise dogfighting and the harm it brings to both the animals and the greater community? It's these artists, and not Jay-Z, who now need to be heard.
John Goodwin is an investigator with The Humane Society of the United States
08-01-2007, 06:48 PM
Ope...I'm not sure that what Phil said warranted a Douch Bag comment...I'm not the moderator of this forum, nor am I the nice guy police...but that comment made you seem like a total jerk...I know you're opinionated but your not that big of a jackass.
You certainly feel free to make your opinions known on here and not always are they supported by nearly as much information as Phil has come up with over these last few posts.
You certainly feel free to make your opinions known on here and not always are they supported by nearly as much information as Phil has come up with over these last few posts.
08-01-2007, 07:05 PM
Thanks Mr. Goulet. I have no ill feelings for anyone on this board. We are all entitled to our opinions. This issue strikes deep with many people.
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08-01-2007, 08:57 PM
Just to side with NegPhil a bit here, On Off The Record a week ago or so ago 3 of the 4 guests said they believe dog fighting is part of the hip hop/ghetto culture.All the guests were black males and at least 2 were former atheletes,just so you don't assume i was 4 white businessman.
I've either seen or read this type of statement a few times recently so Phil isn't the only one who knows or believes this to be true.
I haven't got a clue if it's true or not but the statement has been out for awhile.
I've either seen or read this type of statement a few times recently so Phil isn't the only one who knows or believes this to be true.
I haven't got a clue if it's true or not but the statement has been out for awhile.
08-02-2007, 06:20 AM
I'm with Phil on this one. Street gangs in the 80s picked it up as a "sport" and it has, sadly, grown from there. Much/most hip hop culture is born from the streets and attempts to replicate that gang/thug mentality (in some cases it's real, in others it's an act to sell records).
Lyrics, album artwork, and videos from hip hop artists regularly feature images and imagery relating to dog fighting. Denying that is laughable.
And ope... if listening to Ozzy makes you want to commit suicide, stop listening to it and seek counseling.
Lyrics, album artwork, and videos from hip hop artists regularly feature images and imagery relating to dog fighting. Denying that is laughable.
And ope... if listening to Ozzy makes you want to commit suicide, stop listening to it and seek counseling.
08-02-2007, 12:39 PM
chris Wrote:I'm with Phil on this one. Street gangs in the 80s picked it up as a "sport" and it has, sadly, grown from there. Much/most hip hop culture is born from the streets and attempts to replicate that gang/thug mentality (in some cases it's real, in others it's an act to sell records).
Lyrics, album artwork, and videos from hip hop artists regularly feature images and imagery relating to dog fighting. Denying that is laughable.
And ope... if listening to Ozzy makes you want to commit suicide, stop listening to it and seek counseling.
While I do think it's a fact that there has been a huge spike in dogfighting that is a direct result of its glorification by the so-called ghetto / thug "culture", I think some are automatically assuming that every image or reference to a pit bull is synonymous or directly related to dogfighting, and that's just not the case.
08-02-2007, 12:57 PM
The Horrible Esthete Wrote:While I do think it's a fact that there has been a huge spike in dogfighting that is a direct result of its glorification by the so-called ghetto / thug "culture", I think some are automatically assuming that every image or reference to a pit bull is synonymous or directly related to dogfighting, and that's just not the case.Good point. :thumb:
08-02-2007, 04:21 PM
chris Wrote:And ope... if listening to Ozzy makes you want to commit suicide, stop listening to it and seek counseling.
watching how sad his life has become makes me want to see counselling..how the mighty can fall!
Neg..i'm sorry..douchebag was a bit harsh, and i apologize...it's actually just my word of choice right now, but not appropriate here..sorry...
i'm actually NOT a hip-hop fan, i just don't generalization of anything..i know a lot of fans of the genre, none of them are into dog fighting, dog fighting has never been brought up, and i just don't see it being a hip hop "thing"...
anyways..i'm sorry for being a dick...to everybody i've ever been a dick to (and i think that's a lot of people!!!) :oops:
08-02-2007, 11:35 PM
No worries dude, douche bag is so 1985. Have you considered resurrecting Spaz? Actually I don't think I would of reacted with such anger to any other curse. You may be on to something here.
08-03-2007, 02:21 PM
NegPhil Wrote:No worries dude, douche bag is so 1985. Have you considered resurrecting Spaz? Actually I don't think I would of reacted with such anger to any other curse. You may be on to something here.
like..for sure...totally...
:thumb:
08-05-2007, 04:16 PM
IGNORANCE! BLOODY IGNORANCE!
you guys fucking equate hip hop only with gangs and thugs...
see there's gangsta rap, and then there's hip hop...
just like, there's punk rock, then there's rock & roll...
gangsta rap is just a small part of hip hop, but really it is a large part of what's WRONG with hip hop...hip hop is the MC'ing, the DJ'ing, The B-Boys, The Graffiti artist, and the fashion...not to mention the movement is geared towards being an all inclusive culture where black, white, asian, w/e can all coexist and learn from each other and share their different cultures to enhnace the culture of hip hop...
it has nothing to do with:
gangs
guns
dogfighting
prostitution
drug dealing
"bling"
and all that other negative bullshit people always want to rip on it for...
ok, so ther ya go, you've all been educated now, there' sno more excuses for any ignorance or misinformed opinions on just what hip hop is...
and wtf?!?!?!?! why are people blaming hip hop!!!!!!!!! the dude that started all this shit is a football player...maybe i should blame the NFL for dogfighting...:roll:
you guys fucking equate hip hop only with gangs and thugs...
see there's gangsta rap, and then there's hip hop...
just like, there's punk rock, then there's rock & roll...
gangsta rap is just a small part of hip hop, but really it is a large part of what's WRONG with hip hop...hip hop is the MC'ing, the DJ'ing, The B-Boys, The Graffiti artist, and the fashion...not to mention the movement is geared towards being an all inclusive culture where black, white, asian, w/e can all coexist and learn from each other and share their different cultures to enhnace the culture of hip hop...
it has nothing to do with:
gangs
guns
dogfighting
prostitution
drug dealing
"bling"
and all that other negative bullshit people always want to rip on it for...
ok, so ther ya go, you've all been educated now, there' sno more excuses for any ignorance or misinformed opinions on just what hip hop is...
and wtf?!?!?!?! why are people blaming hip hop!!!!!!!!! the dude that started all this shit is a football player...maybe i should blame the NFL for dogfighting...:roll:
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