11-23-2007, 12:06 PM
das_hips Wrote:That's a nice salary number; I saw it myself, and have to applaud the writer for their constructive creativity. That '$32.5 million' includes the player options for 09/10, 10/11, and 11/12. Let's re-work that salary number for the eight years. If you don't believe me, feel free to look it up yourself,
The three $3.8 million options that he has are not factored into the 5 year $32.5 million deal that he signed.
das_hips Wrote:unless you have come to conclude that there is some sort of statistical reason why his $4.7M salary this year, the three years prior, and his $5.47M salary next year equals $32.5M.
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Contract terms weren't divulged, but an anonymous source told The Canadian Press the contract is a five-year deal worth $32.5-million US, which includes a $7.5-million bonus. The agreement also includes three option years and the full eight years would be worth $48 million plus performance bonuses.
das_hips Wrote:It's great that Iginla has had such an impressive career, but again, your $6.5 million quotation is wrong. It just is.
Actually, it's 100% correct. See above.
das_hips Wrote:Also, as you have provided a player who you deem is appropriate for comparison, please look at the numbers once more.
Since 2000-2001
Alfredsson: 475 GP, 208G, 308A, 516P, 120+/-
Iginla: 488 GP, 245G, 250A, 495P, 61+/- ...
Are you seriously going to suggest that the talent Iginla has been surrounded up until recently was anything close to who Alfredsson has had as teammates. Seriously?!? Even during their Stanley Cup run, the Flames were Iginla, Kipper, and a bunch of 3rd liners masquerading as 1st and 2nd liners. Why, Craig Conroy was such a bust in LA that they couldn't send him back to Calgary fast enough. Look at what playing with Iginla has done to Langkow's numbers. How about Huselius' numbers? These are guys who did nothing elsewhere, yet look at them now.
And I really hope that you aren't comparing an over the hill Gary Roberts, an over the hill Steve Thomas and a Why Is He In The NHL Jonas Hoglund to Martin Havlat and/or Marian Hossa. Alfredsson has had a ton more talent surrounding him, and I simply don't see how any rational person could argue otherwise.
das_hips Wrote:Pretending for a moment that the NHLPA wasn't expecting the salary cap to increase (which they were, and argued with that presumption against the cap in the first place), either Alfredsson's agent is retarded, or Alfredsson just took a relatively safe, and financially rewarding long-term contract. I don't know any NHLPA lawyers, or agents, but I assume they're not retarded.
Or his agent simply misread the marketplace, just like a bunch of agents misread the marketplace the first year of the new CBA (i.e. Chris Pronger gets paid less than Bryan McCabe - now please excuse me while I go throw up).
Or Alfredsson didn't realize his production was about to increase. Oh wait....
If I knew I was going to play this way I probably wouldn't have signed a five-year deal, maybe. But that's the way it goes. When this deal is up, we'll see what happens.
Taken from here.
So Alfie admits he f*cked up, but to his credit, is living by it.
das_hips Wrote:And regarding the line combinations, clearly having Spezza, and especially Heatley on the line has helped Alfredsson, but you're ignoring the implication that he has made them better players as well. You're also ignoring the fact that Alfredsson played only a little more than half the year with that crowd last year, virtually none the year before, and neither were present before that.
Well, in Heatley's last full season in Atlanta he scored 41 goals and had 89 points, in the "dead-puck" era, as a 22 year old. So I'd argue his numbers are a natural progression. And during the lockout, Spezza led the AHL in points, so it's pretty clear he was well on his way to being a bonafide NHLer. And you've helped my argument by pointing out that when those guys weren't around, Alfredsson's production was significantly lower.
das_hips Wrote:You can try and shit on Alfie as much as you would like to.
Just to be clear here, I'm not shitting on Alfie at all. For the most part he doesn't annoy me like he used to, and yeah, I agree with you 100% that he's a steal at his current salary (he makes less than Jason Blake this season. Now I have to go throw up again).
What I took issue with was you assertion that he took less than the market rate to play in Ottawa. He didn't. He signed a contract that was totally indicative of his production at that time, and it now looks like a great deal for the Sens, but only because of the 24% rollback.

