[tigerthelion]

If you talked to people in society like you talk on hipbase, you'd get the shit kicked out of you. :lol: :lol:

Why? Because I don't share your opinion? Because I don't back down when I think I'm right? Because I don't run away when you type in caps?

Me tiger! You agree with me or me punch!

Tiger, since you apparently haven't grasped the concept of a discussion forum, let me dumb it down for you.

dis·cuss (dĭ-skŭs') pronunciation
tr.v., -cussed, -cuss·ing, -cuss·es.

1. To speak with another or others about; talk over.
2. To examine or consider (a subject) in speech or writing.

Is that clear? Do you understand what that means? If you can't handle the concept of people not agreeing with you 100% of the time, I think you need to find another online hangout.

This is an NHL thread but, yeah, I thought the talk of Sundin's failure to get his team into the playoffs for two consecutive seasons warranted a mention. :rambo: Your denial of Sundin's continual failure as a captain is quite endearing though. :rambo:

Captains of NHL teams who have failed to make the playoffs on more than one occasion while they were captain:

- Mark Messier
- Wayne Gretzky
- Steve Yzerman
- Mario Lemieux
- Saku Koivu
- Brian Leetch

And that's just off the top of my head. Need I go on? Or are you going to tell me that those guys were failures as well? Colorado didn't make the playoffs as well. Does that mean Joe Sakic is a failure?

And please don't give me the "well, they won Cups" at some point in their career, and if you do - point me to one Leaf roster where Sundin had a supporting cast that was even remotely close to what those guys had. I dare you. Do you remember who the captain was of the team that won the gold medal in hockey in 2006? Amazing what some players can do when they've got a supporting cast, eh?

I am enjoying your newfound obsession with the Leafs though. I'm starting to think maybe you've got a bit of a thing for Sundin, given the amount of time you seem to be spending reading about him while claiming to not be a fan.

It's fine that you don't share my opinion. I don't expect you too. If I couldn't handle people not agreeing with me, I'd have left this forum two days after I joined. hock:

It's ridiculous to dismiss Cup winners. That's the whole point of playing hockey. Sundin had plenty of talent to make a run at a Cup. Your argument is weak. BTW, do you double dare me? When it's all said and done, Sundin is not going down as a great leader, regardless of what you think. :wink:

You're a notorious stat man, in that you think stats are the be all and end all. One stat that, no matter how hard you try, you have no comeback for is this: Sundin-0 Stanley Cups. Hell, he hasn't even led the Leafs to a Conference Final. :lol: :lol:

Koivu and Naslund are also poor leaders.

I didn't say you would get the shit kicked out of you because you disagree with me. The reason you would get the shit kicked out of you is because of your smugness and juvenile name calling. It's easy to be arrogant on a message board. Heck, I probably come off as a prick on here. It's different out in the "real world."