[VioletlightHeron]

Anyone wish to re-open a human nature debate? I fail to see how anyone can claim that humans are basically good, Yes, we have the capacity to do "good" things. We do these things often. But, I believe humans, by nature, lie, cheat, and rebel against any authority and against many things that are good and decent. Very few of us start scams to take advantage of those who wish to help victims. But isn't it only because we believe we would get caught? We humans love to excuse behaviour because we say it is instinctive or due to genetics. I say our nature is flawed and we are ultimately responsible for all our actions. Any takers?

Ironically, even bad people sometimes do "good" things that contrast with the bad things they do. One gentleman here in Wisconsin was ripping off the company he worked for to support a gambling habit and some of the money, around $5,000 dollars, he donated to a fund for family who had lost a son in Iraq. There are many contrasts and shades of differences between what society thinks are good and evil things that humanity engages in. For example, while it's a generally accepted rule that killing somebody for personal gain is evil, but the context of what exactly is personal gain is a matter of political debate if the subject is war and political motives of the leadership of society.