07-17-2004, 04:50 PM
I should like to comment on this, Josh. Although at this point in time, I am not sure as to whether I agree with it or not. So, as I go through it, maybe I'll end up agreeing.
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Strangely, I have heard a similar name to this one; "Zarathustra."
Thus Spake Zarathustra But, as to which one came first, I know not.
But this is minor. This doesn't matter.
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With this, I should like to quote Keats;
I have often told friends of mine and others that there are only two views on this world and everything else falls in place. Either you are the "Science" or you are the "Religion." Those are the two paths (as mentioned above) of life. If I was to say Science was the truth, the true path, then I would say Religion is make-believe, it is a lie. It was created so many years ago to help curious people sleep at night. But if I was to say Religion is the true path, I would say Science is a lie. It a matter of perspective. Strangely, not everyone has a choice in these matters.
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Yes, but it will not solve all problems such as those who do not. What of those who oppose the return of such a natural state? Mankind takes a great pleasure in the power of manipulating any possible thing it comes across. We have controlled the plants. We have destroyed mountains. We have created rivers. We are now extending our power throughout the Universe. What we will find we will try to control. We still dream of controlling time and shrinking space. Is it possible? Is everything in existence for the sole pupose of our entertainment? Of our existence? Does everything exist for the existence of everything else?
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"We are the Dreamers. We are not the Believers.
We dream we believe but don't believe we dream."
Maybe this is the definition of the human race.
An objectivity so great that it is we ourselves fall to its knees.
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"I won't judge you if you believe but if I don't, would you judge me?"
Let that echo for a couple years. :lol:
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I must say Josh, it is very pleasant to have something new and different on this site. Not that I don't love The Hip and it is the point of the site but I have always loved the moment when two (or more) minds and their ideas meet. Although this site has had some stupid bullshit recently...
I wonder though; what are your beliefs? Voicing them are indeed futile. No one wants to change their own and some may even try to change yours. The Art Of Inner Exploration is an interesting subject. I myself discovered that the demons of Solomon are actually within oneself and not real entities. Some may think them to be real. I am mostly Pagan, not neopagan with hints of Egyptian mysticism, but straight-out-of-Gaul Pagan. I believe in the Goddess instead of the God.
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Kevala Wrote:Once upon a time, a long time ago, there lived a man called Zaradustra.
Strangely, I have heard a similar name to this one; "Zarathustra."
Thus Spake Zarathustra But, as to which one came first, I know not.
But this is minor. This doesn't matter.
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Kevala Wrote:"Two paths can be followed in this world: the path of the True, or the path of the lie."
But what is the Truth, and what is the lie? How can anyone know, for sure, what the Truth is?
With this, I should like to quote Keats;
Keats Wrote:When old age shall this generation waste,---------------------------------------------
Thou shalt remain, in midst of other woe
Than ours, a friend to man, to whom thou say'st,
"Beauty is truth, truth beauty,--that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know."
Kevala Wrote:Imagine for a moment that your entire world is just a mind-created dream. What, then, of the reality of the dreamer?
I have often told friends of mine and others that there are only two views on this world and everything else falls in place. Either you are the "Science" or you are the "Religion." Those are the two paths (as mentioned above) of life. If I was to say Science was the truth, the true path, then I would say Religion is make-believe, it is a lie. It was created so many years ago to help curious people sleep at night. But if I was to say Religion is the true path, I would say Science is a lie. It a matter of perspective. Strangely, not everyone has a choice in these matters.
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Kevala Wrote:Growth of consciousness is the process of going within, contacting that field, knowing it (experientially!) and bringing that experience out into the world. By looking into multiplicity, we have created a world of chaos, but by knowing The One within and living from that direct, personal experience, we allow ourselves and the world to return to the natural state: a state of spontaneous perfection.
Yes, but it will not solve all problems such as those who do not. What of those who oppose the return of such a natural state? Mankind takes a great pleasure in the power of manipulating any possible thing it comes across. We have controlled the plants. We have destroyed mountains. We have created rivers. We are now extending our power throughout the Universe. What we will find we will try to control. We still dream of controlling time and shrinking space. Is it possible? Is everything in existence for the sole pupose of our entertainment? Of our existence? Does everything exist for the existence of everything else?
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Kevala Wrote:In fact, the game is not about creating a new better world, a more spiritual world, a more ANYTHING world at all. For if you seek a new age outside of yourself, you are still dreaming. It’s that simple. Good dream, bad dream, it’s still a dream. It’s still fiction. The age of truth comes only when we awaken, fully conscious, within the dream and transform it through the power of our awakening.
"We are the Dreamers. We are not the Believers.
We dream we believe but don't believe we dream."
Maybe this is the definition of the human race.
An objectivity so great that it is we ourselves fall to its knees.
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Kevala Wrote:Then you need no longer pay any heed to the voices which seek so valiantly to justify what they believe. You need not pay heed even to similar thoughts which arise in your own busy mind. For you have ascended beyond form and concept into the beautiful simplicity of direct personal experience.
"I won't judge you if you believe but if I don't, would you judge me?"
Let that echo for a couple years. :lol:
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I must say Josh, it is very pleasant to have something new and different on this site. Not that I don't love The Hip and it is the point of the site but I have always loved the moment when two (or more) minds and their ideas meet. Although this site has had some stupid bullshit recently...
I wonder though; what are your beliefs? Voicing them are indeed futile. No one wants to change their own and some may even try to change yours. The Art Of Inner Exploration is an interesting subject. I myself discovered that the demons of Solomon are actually within oneself and not real entities. Some may think them to be real. I am mostly Pagan, not neopagan with hints of Egyptian mysticism, but straight-out-of-Gaul Pagan. I believe in the Goddess instead of the God.