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"Copy Controlled" CD's
#1

Has anyone else had any problems with "copy controlled" cd's?

I've got 2 of them now, Ben Harper DOTI and the new Radiohead. In certain cd players these cds skip and in others they don't seem to play at all. Plus I can't copy them to my minidisc player through my computer. These problems to me are all a major pain in the ass.

I first ran into these "copy controlled" discs in March when I got the new Ben Harper cd. Apparently they accidentally released some of these protected cds to the public and they were only meant for the pre-release promos or whatever. Anyway they released a statement and said that they would send out a new copy to anybody affected by the problem. So I called the number and the lady took all my info and said they'd send me out a new one. That was over a month ago and still no disc. I've heard of others getting the cd no problem though, so I don't know what's up with that. Confusedcratch:

Anyway, I can't see as how it's fair to punish a paying customer by degrading the products sound and usefulness in an effort to protect against illegal copying. To me this is just bullshit. I happen to enjoy making mixed cd's and transferring music to my minidisc player so that I can easily take music with me wherever I go. And now because of this bullshit "copy controlled" cd I can't do that?!? :x :x :x

To me, the cd that I paid $15 for is worth far less than the mp3 files that I can download off kazza and actually use.

Just my opinion though. Sorry for the rant.

rw
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#2

How's the Radiohead CD? I still have to get it....

Is it really copy protected? That is weird. Because Radiohead didn't seem to care much about the whole Napster/file sharing "problem". I saw an interview with Thom and he was talking about how he didn't really care that the album was leaked and what not. I think Johnny was talking about how a true fan would buy it anyways.... :thumb:
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#3

The album is great, it's the "copy controlled" part that sucks. If you're out there shopping for cd's make sure to look for the "copy controlled" label. Stear clear of it if at all possible.

I'm pretty sure that Radiohead had nothing to do with it though. I think that it's EMI testing out the "copy controlled" discs on certain market areas. From what I've heard, not all copies of this cd are affected.

It's ironic really. There are people with this copy controlled cd that are not able to play it on their cd players but they ARE able to burn it and listen to the copy. Plus you can download the pre-mastered mp3s off kazza, and now the mastered mp3s are on there as well.

Lotta good the "copy control" is doing. Punishing people who either don't know about the leak on kazza as well as the people who do know about it but want to do the right thing and support the artist.

I for one will not buy another "copy controlled" cd if I can at all avoid it. The mp3 files available on kazza are worth a lot more to me since I can actually listen to them without them skipping and I can put them on my minidisc player.

Jen, you work in a music store in the states right? Have you run into any of these cds yet?

Anyway, the music itself on the Hail to the thief cd is great when I can actually hear it. As for the copy control, that's gotta go.

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#4

I did see a show on t.v quite a while ago about this.
It was when celine dion had her new disc out.
Anyway there was some kindof prevention from burning on her cd.
The guy was saying that all you have to do is take a black marker and put it around the edge of the disc. That way you can burn it.
I would be scared to try it because I would probably wreck the disc.
But I did see it, has anyone seen this or heard of this?
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#5

Yeah dyersbay I've heard of that too. I think it is one of many ways around it. However I did see a great review of a program called Alcohol 120%. Its purpose is to get around copy-protection. I think there is a free trial but it might be worth checking out.
http://www.alcohol-software.com/index.php

Cheers!

Chad
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#6

I've heard of the marker trick before too. I'll give it a try when my new copy of Ben Harper comes in the mail.

That Alcohol progam looks pretty neat. Might check out the trial version.

This radiohead cd is driving me crazy in my cd player. The music is awsome but it skips at 9 seconds into random songs. I wrote an email to EMI's quality complaint department and 0.5 seconds after I sent it I recieved an auto email back from them telling me to ship it to them and they would replace it. Thanks for actually reading the email. Might as well go talk at my wall for a bit.

I think instead of paying for shipping it back to them I will burn it with Alcohol 120% or some other method and just use the burnt copy.

It's total BS that I should even have to do something like this in order to listen to a cd that I legitimately paid for at the store.
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#7

This ranks right up there with the proposed law by the RIAA that would allow them to purposely destroy home computers that have downloaded mp3's on them. is it just me or is the new Big Brother the major label record companies? :rambo:
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#8

VioletlightHeron Wrote:This ranks right up there with the proposed law by the RIAA that would allow them to purposely destroy home computers that have downloaded mp3's on them. is it just me or is the new Big Brother the major label record companies? :rambo:

I havn't heard about that proposed law yet. That's just ridiculous. These copy writed cd's are still pissing me off to no end. I managed to record the cd's onto a minidisc and once they're on there I have no problem listening to them. So now I have these cd's that I can listen to in my cd walkman (which I never use anymore since I got the minidisc) or I can try to listen to them in my regular cd player with random skips. Total crap. :roll:
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#9

It's hard for me to understand the logic behind these record companies!
The main drive for them is money! I was wondering how they look at these stores that sell used cd's! How is this different? It is the owner that is selling there disc. The difference is that these little stores are no compation for the giant record companies!!! It really pisses me off. What about library's for god sake! How is that different?
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#10

I love how these record companies blame sluggish sales on music piracy. That may be partially to blame, however music piracy has been going on forever, its just more rampant. How many of you made tapes for your buds in the '80's? Same thing. If these damn companies would find some decent talent, maybe they would start selling again. Just my pennies.

Cheers!

Chad
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#11

What pisses me off the most about music piracy, downloading etc. is bands such as Metallica that are 100% against downloading. I mean, bands makes pennies off each CD sold, correct? Their real money is made @ concerts, through tix and t-shirts! And we all know Metallica charges probably upwards of $35 for a t-shirt, and now they've gotta be so greedy as to be against downloading their tunes! I thought these bands were for the fans!!! If I were in a band, even a band just starting, I would be more than happy to have someone download my stuff, and THEN come see the show, as oppposed to maybe not ever hearing of me at all....cause if a band has any talent, then they'll kick ass live, correct? Maybe I'm getting off topic...

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#12

I totally side with you Heron! As a funny addition to your Metallica quip...I purchased their new disc (I do like them, even if they are greedy bastards!) and inside the disc is a reg code for http://www.metallicavault.com. Once registered, they allow you to log in to download shows. They are currently offering 3 (older) shows for download, Confusedhock: FOR FREE Confusedhock: , my jaw dropped. As the icing on the cake, they are inviting fans to send them their boots and if they are good enough, they'll put 'em on the site. Confusedhock: Yeah, just what I want to do is give Metallica my personal information along with my boots so that the Anti-pirates can come and get me! Sounds like a trap. Just thought that was funny.

Cheers!

Chad
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#13

as far as the magic marker trick goes, here's how it works. The manufacturer places a tiny data file of some sort on the disc. the data file is ahead of the music. Cd players and CD drives read music from the inner rings of the disc outward toward the outer edge of the disc, so the data is placed at the inner portion of the disc. Supposedly, regular CD players can handle the presence of such a file. CD drives, on the other hand, are programmed to search the disc for data first, and music second. So a drive will see the data and presume that there is no music on the disc.

Thats how it was explained to me. Supposedly, if you use your magic marker to cover up the data track, it solves the problem. I have no idea how to go about determining where the data track is specifically and how much to cover up with the marker, but I know it works.

With regards to Metallica. they have always allowed taping at their shows. I don't know why anyone would bother since once they launch a tour, they stick to the same set every night, but that is neither here nor there. Anyway, their metallicavault idea is merely an online extension of their long-time taper-friendly policy, much like Gord's bootleg project. I don't care for metallica's music and I had to laugh when they came down so hard on napster 3 years ago, because it really drove home the notion that metallica was no longer a band - they were a corporation, plain and simple. But I *do* think they have a right to protect their intellectual property, however greedy it may strike others.

Radiohead at least *used* to take issue on the whole download argument. When Kid A came out, they had a pen-sized mp3 player built to distribute the album to reviewers etc, thinking that the unorthodox packaging would dissuade people from attempting to pirate it. Wrong! Anything that can be played can be pirated. Kid A leaked weeks before the release.
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