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Protecting the Hip's Legacy vs. Emptying the Vaults
#1

There are two significant comments made by band members over the past nine months that would lead one to believe that the Hip may not bookend their catalogue with MMP. In June, around the time of the release of MMP, Rob Baker stated during a Sirius XM interview that there is a companion “shadow” album to MMP that was recorded with Kevin Drew and Dave Hamelin which contains songs that were deemed “too personal or two awkward” to release at that time. Then, in October, during the Mansbridge interview GD said, “I’ve got two or three or four records in the can. A record the Hip are working on.” Mansbridge followed up by asking, “So we could hear more from the Hip?” to which GD responded, “Yeah."

Thus it is apparent that new material does exist. However, we don’t know what state of completion/”record readiness” these songs are in. Was the material the Hip were working on in the fall simply polishing up the MMP leftovers? Or were they recording brand new tracks? Did they get a chance to truly finish what they were working on? This led me to think about whether I would want new Hip material if it was not able to receive the near obsessive lyric-writing scrutiny that Gord is known for or if it didn’t have enough time to cook in the studio oven. Is there a legacy to protect and would potentially releasing an album that didn’t receive the same attention as past albums (due to GD’s health challenges) diminish this legacy in any manner?

If the Hip was to call it a career with MMP, their legacy would remain relatively unblemished. UTH through MMP is a run of quality albums that is arguably without parallel in rock music. To be certain, there are peaks and valleys that exist in there but the dips are still miles above sea level. Every Hip album contains some songs that are representative of the best rock songs of the year in which the album was released. While there are some misfires in the catalogue, there is almost nothing that I would label ‘filler’.

There are a lot of examples of great bands whose last album was one album too many: "Zeppelin’s "In Through the Out Door" (ignoring Coda here), The Clash’s "Cut the Crap", whatever Neil Young's last/latest album is, among others. If the Hip were to release one final album and it fell short of the high bar set by past records, would I even care? Do I want to hear every single thing they’ve got tucked away in the vault regardless of state of completion (a small part of me says, “Hell yeah!”) or would I be happy with MMP being the swan song and the band retiring with a string of albums that they can be very proud of? I'd be interested in hearing others thoughts on whether you want to hear everything, warts and all, or whether you would prefer that a high level of quality control is exerted. Or, some happy medium?
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#2

I hope they at least open the live vaults. Not sure that one last studio album would be the way to go out if it's subpar.
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#3

If MMP is their final studio album, I'm perfectly fine with that. It's a brilliant record and a wonderful bookend to a remarkable career (if that ends up being the case). But if the band decides to put out more new material, I'm certainly not gonna complain. Honestly, they can do whatever the hell they want and I'll be happy.

I'm also a big fan of opening up the vaults. It was mentioned a few years back that they've been recording pretty much every live show since around 1994/'95. That probably gives them enough material to keep releasing live albums & compilations for at least another decade or so. And who knows how many b-sides, videos, collaborations, concert footage, and other goodies that they might have lying around in those vaults. Just thinking about it makes me drool.
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#4

There is nothing to be afraid of....after all, it's only music. If you create something, then give it out. Whether other people like it, well, like you said, you'll be the judge of that.

The proof is in the pudding.... We will see if it stands the test of time.
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#5

I don't think releasing more material, even if it hasn't gone through the same "process" as other albums, would tarnish their legacy. It was cemented long ago. New material would only please the die hard fans that have been clamouring for years for b-side compilations and more live from the vault releases. Casual fans probably wouldn't even notice that it had been released (like the last 4-5 albums...).
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#6

Kevala Wrote:There is nothing to be afraid of....after all, it's only music. If you create something, then give it out. Whether other people like it, well, like you said, you'll be the judge of that.

The proof is in the pudding.... We will see if it stands the test of time.

There is some truth to those statements but I'm still hoping for material that the Hip have had a chance to pour their heart and soul into. I don't think they've ever adopted an "It's only music" attitude. Yes, I've heard artists (and possibly even the Hip at one point) mention that their guiding principle is to make music that pleases themselves and that if the fans like it, that's a bonus. However, I think that they have such a high respect for their chosen profession and for what they present to the public (both on record and as a live act) that they would want to ensure that future releases meet some sort of internal standard. I'm open to hearing anything from them, but what I'm really hoping for is that there is new material that they feel is complete and ready for the public, along with an album of fully developed B-sides. And, if I'm adding to my wishlist, I hope they eventually release some of the mountain of live material that they have stored up.
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#7

...and on a similar note: if, if, the Man Machine Poem tour was the end of the Hip as a live entity, I'm kind of okay with that. The tour was magical, and given the circumstances it's hard to think of a more remarkable set of shows by any band, ever (and I don't think that's hyperbolic). Do you go out on top? Or do you play the occasional one-off and hope Gord's up to it? (There's absolutely no way they're doing it if Gord isn't certain he can replicate what he did last summer.) I honestly don't know. On one hand, what I wouldn't give to hear those songs live again. On the other...damn, what a special tour.
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#8

i just wish they would release some b sides and rarities...more than a brand new album right now, especially if said album is not perfect and/or too personal awkward
i'm not ready to call anything over
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#9

I've said this before. I want to hear Gord's take on mortality. This is an artist that has taught so many of us so much. I'd love to see how he takes on this most persistent foe.

Of course, that said, this may not even be possible. Because the really sad thing here is that this is attacking his mind. Can he still create as he always has when memory is a challenge? I'm not sure, but I really hope so for his sake.

It does seem like barring a miracle the live Hip is probably done. That's sad, but oh, did they go out on top as many have said. As a Queen fan, I saw Freddie Mercury record some incredible music when he knew his time was limited (The Show Must Go On, I Want It All, etc.). I imagine Gord can do the same. I think he still has a lot to say. And that makes me hopeful for new Hip music.
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#10

There are definitely more MMP tracks...
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#11

Just another example of this band's integrity that they didn't release material when they were all over the press last year

They could have easily cashed in

I guess my only surprise, maybe, is that they didn't release a compilation to raise money for sunnybrooke
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