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Some WC references now up - Stephen Dame - 10-17-2006
Anybody figure out the Northrop Frye business in Luv(sic)? Trying to get the website updated by tonight, can't figure that one out.
- fingernailsonhull - 10-17-2006
Does this help?
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- Corby - 10-17-2006
i thought of ya, stephen, when i saw that in the book. i was hoping you'd have an answer for us.
- worldpeace - 10-17-2006
you're updating the website the same day the album is released? wow, that's impressive.
- Stephen Dame - 10-18-2006
worldpeace Wrote:you're updating the website the same day the album is released? wow, that's impressive.
Would have been impressive had I gotten it done. We had a big name booked for an event; he cancelled. We had an even bigger substitute; he cancelled. So, I put on World Container in the bar, announced that the guest of honour wouldn't show... and just as "Fly" kicked in, I got word the original guest was coming. Got to happily save my life to the sounds of The Hip. I narrowly avoided being lynched by 100 supporters and volunteers and The National news crew.
So, needless to say the day job prevented me from working on the damn site. But, I'll get it done soon, and am still royally stumped as to the Frye reference.
The shittiest part of the update is transcribing the damn lyrics. It's times like these I wish Gord wrote Beatles style repetitive pop. cutting and pasting "we all live in a yellow submarine" would beat the hell out of typing diatribes that end with stuff like "Peculiarly Interlaced" God love ya Gord!
- laliber - 10-18-2006
Isn’t the theme of we all live in a yellow (psychedelic 60’s version) submarine a
... we can’t escape our environment so lets be kind to it ... prelude to World Container’s Water/Environmental theme?
I was immediately struck by the Water/Environmental references when listening to the Internet stream this past week and it was reinforced when I took look at the liner artwork rapt with landfills, red oceans and hidden sleeve Love Canal like barrels, not to mention a Global Warming halo wrapped around NA on the CD itself …
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you are just a lake
made to take it
and take and take and take
- SoylentGreg - 10-18-2006
It looks like 'love is the only virtue there is' is a quote by Northrop Frye. Maybe Gord's just giving credit where credit's due, a la "Use it Up" or "Good Life".
- laliber - 10-18-2006
First things First - Northrop Frye’s Canon is large (Literarily speaking)
hock: While I can’t find a direct quote (read I Googled “Love is the only virtue there is”) Frye had a lot to say about Love in his work and he critiqued some of the biggies (The Bible, Blake, Milton, Billy Qiverlance ect.). In each he takes a look at love in relation to the works
For example Frye has an interesting account about various allegories of Love in a Chapter Six Second Variation: the Garden in his book Words With Power- being a second study of the bible and literature (1990) – which is a follow-up to the first The great code : the Bible and literature Essentially --- love = paradiso terrestre
In the intro to The Double Vision there is a note that Frye loved Auden’s words “we must love one another or die” (Thanks Google Scholar)
In Fearful Symmetry a study of William Blake – Frye notes Blake’s humanizing vision by quoting –
Love and harmony combine
And around our souls entwine
While thy branches mix with mine,
And our roots together join
Joys upon our branches sit,
Chirping loud, and singing sweet;
Like gentle streams beneath our feet,
Innocence and virtue meet.
(had to walk to the Library bookshelves for this one)
the problem (for a quick fix) is there are hundreds of books/articles written by and/or about Frye (for example search for all the words [Northrop Frye Love virtue] in JSTORE gets ya – 939 results)
Either the reference is a direct quote see - Courage (for Hugh MacLennan) and somewhere Frye actually penned “Love is the only virtue there is” or it is a GD summation of what Frye said about love…
As for "Peculiarly Interlaced" it only has 3 hits on google so it is a rare word combo indeed…
- Stephen Dame - 10-18-2006
laliber Wrote:First things First - Northrop Frye’s Canon is large (Literarily speaking)
While I can’t find a direct quote (read I Googled “Love is the only virtue there is”) Frye had a lot to say about Love in his work and he critiqued some of the biggies (The Bible, Blake, Milton, Billy Qiverlance ect.). In each he takes a look at love in relation to the works
For example Frye has an interesting account about various allegories of Love in a Chapter Six Second Variation: the Garden in his book Words With Power- being a second study of the bible and literature (1990) – which is a follow-up to the first The great code : the Bible and literature Essentially --- love = paradiso terrestre
In the intro to The Double Vision there is a note that Frye loved Auden’s words “we must love one another or die” (Thanks Google Scholar)
In Fearful Symmetry a study of William Blake – Frye notes Blake’s humanizing vision by quoting –
Love and harmony combine
And around our souls entwine
While thy branches mix with mine,
And our roots together join
Joys upon our branches sit,
Chirping loud, and singing sweet;
Like gentle streams beneath our feet,
Innocence and virtue meet.
(had to walk to the Library bookshelves for this one)
the problem (for a quick fix) is there are hundreds of books/articles written by and/or about Frye (for example search for all the words [Northrop Frye Love virtue] in JSTORE gets ya – 939 results)
Either the reference is a direct quote see - Courage (for Hugh MacLennan) and somewhere Frye actually penned “Love is the only virtue there is” or it is a GD summation of what Frye said about love…
As for "Peculiarly Interlaced" it only has 3 hits on google so it is a rare word combo indeed…
There's certainly a Blake connection. That was my first instinct. The only thing I knew about Frye was that he was a massive Blake fan. A buddy of mine with much greater knowledge of the subject is looking into it, figures he might know the work.
- Stephen Dame - 10-18-2006
The lyrics are up, as far as I know, they're not available anywhere else online. I've got 14 references from the album that will be up by tomorrow evening. Only Gord could get Jesus and Himmler weaved together.
Yer Not The Ocean
Yer Not The Ocean
Again I’m talking to the lake
I’m standing on the Rocks
Yer not the ocean
I’m better to watch Britney invisible
Or the stranger in myself
Than a wall of water just hitting the shelf
Yer not the Ocean
You’re up to my toes
Yer not the ocean
You’re not even close
Though you’re so real
And you’ve more youth everyday
And you can think and take and take
Yer not the Ocean
I’m standing on my toes
Yer not the ocean
You’re not even close
You’re not the ocean
You’re up to my chin
Yer not the ocean
You’re not coming in
The Lonely End Of The Rink
The Lonely End Of The Rink
I looked up and you were there
Just sitting there all alone
Holding your fist in the air
Like, if you need me you're on your own
You drove me home through a snowy tomb
I fell asleep in my seat
I had the dream of having no room
You were there just staring at me
At the lonely end of the rink, you and me
At the lonely end of the rink, you and me
Oh to join the rush
As the season builds
Jump into the rush
As the seasons build
You drove me home through a snowy gloom
And I fell asleep in my seat
Then I had the dream of having no room
You were there just staring at me
At the lonely end of the rink, you and me
In View
I love you. You know I do. Yea, it's perfect
Well, it isn't and it is
And I've been meaning to call you
I've been meaning to call you
Then I do
I've been meaning to call you
I've been meaning to call you
Then I do
Phone rings once
Phone rings twice
Phone rings three times
I am of you
You are in everything I do
I do
I trust you, that makes you true
I don't care if it isn't the way it is
I've been meaning to call you
I've been meaning to call you
Then I do
Phone rings once
Phone rings twice
Phone rings three times
I am of you
You are always in view
Yea, I am my will
But you are in everything I do.
I do.
In the Day Eraser's dark of night
In the Excited States, gone in plain sight
Under the wave or by cavelight
I lose, things change, but never in your eyes
I am of you
You are always in view
I am my will
You are in everything I do.
Fly
Seventy days to cross the ocean
Seventy nights where no one's gonna hear me fall
Freddie Mercury, I've sometimes wished
I'd never been born at all
I remain unphotographed
I don't exaggerate my intelligence
I might turn a broom into a tree
But I'll never be one of them
I fly, cause there's no why in getting beaten up by a guy who cries before he fights
I don't want 'em to see me like this
The way they like to kick people when they're down
You said "please stop worrying about this
They stop kicking once you're down
There's Mistaken Point, Newfoundland
There's Moonbeam Ontario
There are places I've never been and always wanted to go
I fly, cause woe betide a guy who just lives to fight
Fly, love is to try and die trying
Fly, yea, that's right
Try, love is to try and die trying
Coastline rising out of the ocean
Coastline rises like a pair of glowing thighs
There's something down deep inside me says
"where ya been all my life"
Fly, turn your back, get your face in the sky
Fly, love is to try and die trying
try, left and right, across your mind
Try, love is to try and die trying
Love(sic)
There are words I carry in my heart
Words I carry in my heart
Clung to
Glad of
Uncommonly held
Peculiarly held
Peculiarly interlaced
Remembered and felt
Am I lovesick?
It's as if love's the only virtue there is
Am I lovesick?
The plot thins, emotions get frayed
Attractions move through the shade
Done for
Delight in
And forever held
Influence
Given life
Remembered and felt
Am I lovesick?
It's not as if love's the only virtue there is
Am I lovesick?
It's nothing to hate
Who can't hate can
Got nothing against hate
It's all the planning
It gets hard to remember
We're best when we're tender
There are words I carry in my heart
Words I carry in my heart
Clung to
Glad of
Uncommonly held
Peculiarly held
Peculiarly interlaced
Remembered and felt
Am I lovesick?
Lovesick, lovesick
Love is the only virtue there is
(Northrop Frye)
The Kids Don't Get It
You said, If I ask you a question
Are you gonna lie to me?
I said, Honey, is that your question?
Cuz Honey, that one's easy
Cuz half the truth is, just how much there is
The kids don't get it
No, the kids don't get it
I'm gonna be an expert stranger,
better than the giant squid
I'm gonna leave the stranger experts
scratching their heads
saying 'how's he do it?'
When half truth is, just how hard it is
But the kids don't get it
No, the kids won't get it
I'll be the antlers and I'll be the elk
I'll be the right whale and I'll be parallel
The kids don't get it
That's right, kids don't get it
I'll feel more than human when the work's hitting home
I'll be aped by my ancestors, I'll state the plan as my own
I'll be gripping the city, I'll be hitting the town
You'll say, "I'd be hurt if you didn't" when I come around
That's right, kids don't get it
I'll be as careless as you are certain,
I'll get outta my own way
I'll stop to cry into the curtains
And like the greats, before me, go on stage
And if half-true its, good enough for this
Cuz the kids don't get it
No, the kids don't get it.
If I ask you a question
Are you going to lie to me?
Ah honey is that your question?
Cuz that one's easy
Kids don't get it
Just how hard it is
Kids don't get it
Pretend
If I ask you a question
Are you going to lie to me?
Is that your question?
Because that one is easy
It's gripping the city and hitting the town and
No one on earth is doing this now
If you can pretend and I can
Pretend pretending won't end
and then and well then...
If you take the chances
I'll take the bows
Saying 'no one on earth is doing this now'
But if I ask you a question are you going to lie to me?
Is that your question?
Because that one is easy
If you don't pretend
And I don't pretend
Pretending might end
But pretend can pretend to end
You can't pretend
Yes I can, Yes I can, Yes I can
You can't pretend
Yes I can, Yes I can, Yes I can
Last Night I Dreamed You Didn't Love Me
You kissed my fingers and made me love you
Last night when we went to hell
When the blood-starred curtain fell
Men were turning on their machines, making everything mean
Fires burned, cold values clashed
Good and evil were all dry grass
No child-ghost, no singing bird, no last laugh, no last word
Oh, last night I dreamed
Last night I dreamed darkly nurtured dreams
None of them were quite as frightening
Oh, Canada emptied, there was me featureless and freezing
Last night I dreamed you didn't love me
You kissed my fingers and made me love you
Last night you left me derelict
And disappeared for ages
You said 'honey save those tears of yours for the show
Oh, last night I dreamed
Last night I dreamed darkly nurtured dreams
None of them were half as frightening
Oh, Canada emptied, there was me, beside you
Featureless and freezing
Last night I dreamed you didn't love me
You didn't love me
What's happening to you?
Why don't you love me like you used to?
When you kissed my fingers and you made me love you
When you kissed my fingers and you made me love you
Last night I dreamed
Last night I dreamed darkly nurtured dreams
None of them, none as frightening
Oh, awake empty and out of sleep
You were beside me gently breathing
Last night I dreamed you didn't love me
You didn't love me
You didn't love me
Why don't you love me like you used to?
When you kissed my fingers and you made me love you
The Drop Off
When the summer is young and nobody has their price
No one is no one and nobody in a crisis
There's no swimming past the drop off or feeling sorry for yourself
Ya don't go swimming past the drop off or else
Yer a pistol, yer a gun and suddenly I have no prices
Ya don't go swimming past the drop off or else
The fates are amok and spun, measured and out and the past is meant to please us
Yer a comet from earth in a Kiss Alive shirt
Saying "Holy Fuck it's Jesus," the surface is green and the dark interweaves in a lonely iridescence
It's terribly deep and the cold is complete and it only lacks your presence and nothing else
When the summer is done and nobody sympathizes.
Yer no friend of Dylan's, Yea you won't see another crisis
There's no swimming past the drop off or feeling sorry for ourselves
a don't go swimming past the drop off or else
Personal stakes will get raised and get raised
Til your story gets compelling if you lacked the sense
Or were willfully dense is forever in the telling
The surface is green and the dark interweaves
In a lonely iridescence
It's terribly deep and the cold is complete
And it only lacks your presence and nothing else
Nothing else and no one else
Family Band
I can't smell a rat when it's all rat
I can't find one in an elevator
My mind doesn't work so bad
But I am a poor exterminator, that's right
I can't destroy entirely or annihilate a little later
I can't see the entire city, but I'm not a bad exterminator
I'm just a shade shy of true wickedness
I'm a shade shy of truly loving it
There are other things I'd rather be doing
Sure even nothing, even nothing with you
One day I'll make some honest rock n roll
Full of hand claps and gang vocals
I'm gonna get all the children involved
We're gonna get lost on all you locals
We'll be a shade shy of true wickedness
We'll be a shade shy of truly loving this
There are other things we'll rather be doing
Sure, even nothing, even nothing with you
We'll load out through the snow
Through small groups of people smoking
Hey! Get that kick drum loaded!
Into the backseat folded down!
We'll go virtually unnoticed
What's gripping the city ain't hitting the town
We'll be a shade shy of true wickedness
We'll be a shade shy of truly loving it
There are other things that we'll surely miss
We'll load out through the snow
Through small groups of people smoking
Hey! Get that kick drum loaded!
Into the backseat folded down!
We'll go perfectly unnoticed
What's gripping the city ain't hitting the town
World Container
There's a world container with your name on it
And a billion ways to go berserk
When the country quits on you it must be dinner
And the Himmler on this one is there's no dessert
(he's the one who couldn't imagine all the people living life in peace)
Good News! You get to vanish
Go to Cleveland, be an indie smash
The good news is now you're smaller
The bad news is you can be smaller than that
Go suck some souls, be a reader, get used
Laugh at a funeral or two
And laugh til all the chameleons turn black
Laugh and laugh til you're told 'please don't come back'
Then fake incredulous, say 'I just can't believe!
How'd it get so late so early?'
Say 'ain't life a grand and I'm in awe of y'all'
Then drop into your haunted bunk
Go to your touchless times out where the water's drying
Go past the 'No Attractions Past This Point' sign
What you'll find there are all flaws in progress
Where all songs are one song and that song is Don't Forget
Where all songs are one song and that song is Don't Forget
I've faked incredulous and said 'I just can't believe!
How'd it get so late so early?'
Said, 'ain't life a grand and I'm in awe of y'all'
I've dropped into my haunted bunk
Been to your touchless times out where the water's drying
Been past the 'No Attractions Past This Point' sign
What we have here are all flaws in progress
Where all songs are one song and that song is Don't forget
Where all songs are one song and that song is Don't forget
Where all songs are one song and that song is Don't Forget
- Tthip - 10-18-2006
Stephen Dame Wrote:The lyrics are up, as far as I know, they're not available anywhere else online.Oh Stephen - damn all that typing you did - and the lyrics were right here:
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Sorry about that.
- Stephen Dame - 10-19-2006
Done. Half assed due to having a day job (day/evening/night/dawn job until December 2nd) and a girlfriend I'd like to keep, but there's some nifty stuff there. being a super fan is a young mans pursuit. This 26 year old geezer isn't cut out for this stuff anymore.
- Corby - 10-19-2006
The Drop Off references were particularly enlightening, especially pertaining to jesus
good stuff, thx stephen
- laliber - 10-19-2006
Stephen Dame Wrote:Done. Half assed due to having a day job (day/evening/night/dawn job until December 2nd) and a girlfriend I'd like to keep, but there's some nifty stuff there. being a super fan is a young mans pursuit. This 26 year old geezer isn't cut out for this stuff anymore.
Thanks Stephen, now I got something to link to for the next GE update...while the geographic references - as particular places are scare...
Mistaken Point Newfoundland and MoonBeam Ontario show up side by side in Fly, reminiscent of Silver Jet’s from Clayoquot Sound to Cape Spear
Also, with the reference to Cleveland in the song World Container, Ohio has now joined Louisiana and New York State as part of the coveted Two Hip Song States or THSS (not to be confused with the Texas Historical Shootist Society).
There is as I mentioned before there is a heavy Water/Environmental theme...I just realized yesterday that the Drop off also acts as a warning (or perhaps a statement) that we have indeed gone past the saturation point of the planet …
anyway keep em coming … :thumb: :thumb:
- Stephen Dame - 10-20-2006
What I've got:
Ocean:
Britney Invisible
"The Stranger In Myself" by Willy Peter Reese
In View:
Excited States
Fly:
Freddie Mercury
Moonbeam, Ontario
Mistaken Point, Newfoundland and Labrador
Luv(sic):
Northrope Frye
Kids:
Right Whale
Elk
Giant Squid
Dreamed:
Child-Ghost
Canada
Drop:
Kiss Alive T-shirt
Jesus Christ
Bob Dylan
Container:
Heinrich Himmler
Cleveland, Ohio
"Don't Forget" by Martha Wainwright