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cliquey hipbase? - thedarkcanuck - 11-02-2004
read in a recent post(can`t remember where) that mentioned base being a bit cliquey....while its true that everyone here has a common love of all things hip, its only natural to have disagreement in any kind of conversation with hundreds of different people. its a little different at a show where everyone is basically focusing on the band. i think if everyone just gave a little less or took a little more, it would be all good. can i get a "hip yeah!"?
- grooveless touque - 11-02-2004
I missed the cliquey post...but I disagree. We're divided along many lines (from opinions on politics to setlists to member-started polls!) but I don't find people are cloistering themselves away together, speaking with a collective voice or anything. I think we're all opposed to someone else for some reason, but united with them on another front. That's what makes for a good community, it ensures arguments are never truly personal!
- lord brazle - 11-02-2004
I missed the clique post too but, when ya think about it, we are all members of a clique; think about how many people you see in your real worlds that are as devoted to the Hip as some of the people on here...
I have noticed it seems some on here know each other better than others, or knew each other before, etc, and I myself feel a closer affinity towards individuals that I've talked with (or even bumper heads with) on one subject or another.
So there is little groups around here but I don't think it's the *exclusive* type of groups.
I could probably makeshift some sort of list of people who I "like" and who I "hate" and people who are "neutral" for some reason or another. This forum is no different than a 'real' society, you have the likable people, the unlikable people, the ghosts, the occasionals, the movers and shakers, etc. I've always been the type of person (in the 'real world', lol) that was down with everyone. But in a place like this, anybody can be anybody...
And I'll disagree if someone opens something for discussion and I happen to disagree with it... but I won't hold a grudge or nothing... I haven't even used the Ignore feature... yet!...
- Jenna_Bird - 11-02-2004
I missed the post too...but I think a lot of the "cliquey" feeling comes from the what LB posted above. A lot of people here know each other, and others have been part of the community for a long time and know what to expect from other members. You get people figured out eventually, with a few exceptions, of course. :wink:
-Jenna
- Tthip - 11-02-2004
This is the post about Cliques by JerkWerk, it was in the seen any movies section:
most recent the butterfly effect, which i thought was brill! although i am so way NOT an ashton fan. blah...but ive been all full of cinema retrograde as of late...watched the road warrior, romper stomper, withnail & i, clockwork...cos i love kubrick.
hey i know noone will feckin read this, cos this forum is top full of cliques and pricks, but in the slim chance any of you read this: who here reads bukowski? anyone?
p.s. the clique thing is friggin sad too, cos we all have one common denominstor: the pure, unadulterated love of the hip. at the last concert i attended there was this whole 'hip' chant mantra thingy in which brought us all together, but here...there is just typed words extending from cold shoulders.
- jen - 11-02-2004
grooveless touque Wrote:I missed the cliquey post...but I disagree. We're divided along many lines (from opinions on politics to setlists to member-started polls!) but I don't find people are cloistering themselves away together, speaking with a collective voice or anything. I think we're all opposed to someone else for some reason, but united with them on another front. That's what makes for a good community, it ensures arguments are never truly personal!
Took the words right out of my mouth! :thumb:
- tigerthelion - 11-02-2004
highwaygirl28 Wrote:grooveless touque Wrote:I missed the cliquey post...but I disagree. We're divided along many lines (from opinions on politics to setlists to member-started polls!) but I don't find people are cloistering themselves away together, speaking with a collective voice or anything. I think we're all opposed to someone else for some reason, but united with them on another front. That's what makes for a good community, it ensures arguments are never truly personal!
Took the words right out of my mouth! :thumb:
I agree for the most part but understand where that person who said it is coming from. Sometimes it seems like people do gang up on others. I saw a group of people band together to attack Stephen Dame a little while ago that, even if it wasn't too serious, gave the perception of a gang mentality.
- grooveless touque - 11-02-2004
Well, tiger, that's an example of what I meant by we're all opposed to someone sometimes. That issue was one where most people disagreed with Dame. However, in other topics, some of the people who disagreed with him there are on his side. That's what I meant by divided on some fronts, united on others. That's normal.
There are only a very few people on this board who pick on the same people over and over, carrying arguments from one topic into another. That irritates me too, but it's isolated individuals.
- jerkwerks - 11-03-2004
Lord Brazels got it!! and yeah, tis cliquey. Less friendly to new comers. more friendly to friends. so so friendly to so so friendly types. uh huh, true dat. but its all good. ive been to other forums, and they is NO different. so kudos to the whole 'stickin with the majority' stuff. I still like it here.
- chris - 11-03-2004
I think that this forum is way more friendly to noobs than most fan forums; however, we do "expect' a certain maturity that many other forums don't. I think that this is simply as a result of the average age of The Hip's fanbase being older than many other groups.
- das_hips - 11-03-2004
chris Wrote:I think that this forum is way more friendly to noobs than most fan forums; however, we do "expect' a certain maturity that many other forums don't. I think that this is simply as a result of the average age of The Hip's fanbase being older than many other groups.
I agree completely with that. Of course comments and/or observations are going to get slightly blown out of porportion, especially yesterday, today and probably tomorrow in this forum. We're here for a common purpose, debate is of course always welcome, but if somebody is interested in hissy fits and name-calling I can suggest several other band forums to gander at... just run through the muchmusic countdown and go trigger happy with your left mouse button. As well as being mature, I've often felt Hip fans to be more intelligent and more grounded than your average smoke-a-dube-lets-hear-those-three-chord-songs-but-get-home-before-nine-so-we-can-watch-the-OC kinda fans.
- tigerthelion - 11-03-2004
chris Wrote:I think that this forum is way more friendly to noobs than most fan forums;
Why wouldn't newbies be treated the same though? I don't understand why there is some standard that new members have to meet. I'm thinking, why shouldn't we be friendly to newbies? It's not like it's that difficult to respect their opinion. We aren't going above and beyond the call of duty to just respect new people's opinions. It sounds like we as a group are doing something extraordinary by being friendly for the most part to newbies. It reminds me of some joke I heard about a black man who was bragging about not beating his wife! HE ISN'T SUPPOSED TO HIT HIS WIFE SO WHY SHOULD HE WANT EXTRA CREDIT FOR THAT!
- das_hips - 11-03-2004
As much as I agree with you, its quite obvious that most forums either treat new members as if they are incapable of forming a rational opinion, or go out of their way to humiliate them. I think Chris was also referring to the fact that new members shouldn't have to walk into a forum filled with controversy and name calling... and by keeping it that way, it offers a 'way more friendly' and welcoming atmosphere...
- lord brazle - 11-04-2004
I am perfectly friendly with the 'noobs'... BUT I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel somewhat cold towards them. I mean, there is, I guess, certain milestones (number of posts perhaps?) that we all have to take to almost "prove" our worth. This may sound arrogant. I know. I know. But how many newbies come on here that never come back? A newbie posts something and not everyone takes it as seriously as they would if a "Hipbase Groupie" or "Daredevil" posted it, you know?
There was a girl that come on here talking about a fanlisting on her site, where you go and you just put your name on it (for some stupid reason)... well, she was a newbie and her first post was something like "come join my fanlisting" and I called her on it. She was only posting that to have more hits on her site or something and, since then, she hasn't been back.
Now pardon me if I may sound haughty-taughty or something but I tend to pay more attention to what the long-time hipbase frequenters say as opposed to the 'noobs'... not that I completely ignore them or anything... for lack of better words, they just have to "test their mettle" as a fan...
Put it this way; if I require to put forth some sorta effort on a subject, be it looking something up or posting something really long or whatnot, I'm much more likely to do it for someone who has been here for awhile than someone that hopped off the banana boat yesterday...
das_hips Wrote:I've often felt Hip fans to be more intelligent and more grounded than your average smoke-a-dube-lets-hear-those-three-chord-songs-but-get-home-before-nine-so-we-can-watch-the-OC kinda fans.
And tell me you didn't just diss The OC!!! :x ........
- lord brazle - 11-04-2004
Also, a sidenote... I remember when I first came on here and alot of people didn't really even pay attention to me. Not like I was ignored (maybe I was, lol) and I did say a couple things I much would've rather not have but I guess people have gotten to know me and such and now it seems like I'm treated totally different than I was at first.
I suppose it isn't anybody's fault.... 'noobs' are like the new kids in class... they don't know anybody and nobody knows them and the only way to get through that crap is to talk to people... you all know what I'm saying... we were all there... but you get to the point where you basically relax and say "Okay, now we're getting somewhere.."
So hang in there, my dear newbies, this site just gets better and better...
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