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Jon Stewart 1, Bill O'Reilly 0. - grooveless touque - 09-28-2004
NEW YORK (AP) -- The folks at Comedy Central were annoyed when Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly kept referring to "The Daily Show" audience as "stoned slackers."
So they did a little research. And guess whose audience is more educated?
Viewers of Jon Stewart's show are more likely to have completed four years of college than people who watch "The O'Reilly Factor," according to Nielsen Media Research.
O'Reilly's teasing came when Stewart appeared on his show earlier this month.
"You know what's really frightening?" O'Reilly said. "You actually have an influence on this presidential election. That is scary, but it's true. You've got stoned slackers watching your dopey show every night and they can vote."
Comedy Central executives realized, and O'Reilly acknowledged, that he was poking fun. But they said they didn't want a misconception to persist.
"If the head of General Motors was watching O'Reilly's show, that could be very important to us," said Doug Herzog, Comedy Central president.
"If you listen to O'Reilly, you get the sense that it was crazy longhairs behind the show," he said. "And it's not. It's great, smart television that attracts a well-compensated audience, most of whom are voting age."
Relax, said Fox News Channel spokesman Rob Zimmerman.
"Comedy Central must have lost their sense of humor," Zimmerman said. "Without Jon Stewart, Comedy Central would turn into the Great American Country Channel."
Comedy Central also touted a recent study by the University of Pennsylvania's National Annenberg Election Survey, which said young viewers of "The Daily Show" were more likely to answer questions about politics correctly than those who don't.
Comedy Central had no statistics on how many people watch "The Daily Show" stoned.
Although seemingly taken aback by repeated "stoned slackers" references while talking with O'Reilly, Stewart was ready with a joke.
"This election is going to rely on the undecided," he said. "And who is more undecided than stoned slackers? Ice cream or pretzels? Ice cream or pretzels? What's it going to be?
Whether it's the slacker or no-slacker zone, O'Reilly is entering it October 7, when he's scheduled to appear on "The Daily Show."
So if Stewart's audience is comprised of stoned slackers, how would Herzog describe O'Reilly's audience?
"I'm not getting into that game," he said.
- tigerthelion - 09-28-2004
O'reilly is a joke. He's one of the least credible political guys on television.
- scottitude - 09-29-2004
I read that yesterday morning and got a big kick out of it. The real scary thing isn't undecided voters or people that may smoke a little weed, it's that people actually belive the crap that Fox News is "fair and balanced". Puuuhleeze!
- tigerthelion - 09-30-2004
Anyone see the Daily show yesterday? Jon got a little payback on O'reilly. Kept showing clips of Bush's interview on O'reilly's show and how Bill kept saying how great Bush was for appearing on the show. Yeah, it must have been difficult for him appearing on the most right wing conservative show on television. Good stuff!
- The Horrible Esthete - 09-30-2004
tigerthelion Wrote:O'reilly is a joke. He's one of the least credible political guys on television.
Oh, yea. Right.
cratch: He should strive to be as credible as Dan Rather and the rest of the overtly leftist network media giants!
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I simply cannot fathom how you could have posted such a thing after this whole CBS episode......
- grooveless touque - 09-30-2004
You can't fathom it? You mean how O'Reilly posits opinion as news and has for his whole worthless career? Or do you mean how the whole Fox News organization does?
- VioletlightHeron - 09-30-2004
Fox News is the balance, if you will, to the left leaning network news. They don't pretend that O'Reily, etc are opiniated towards conservative views, which is more than the network anchors and executives can say about themselves. The public responds to that because Fox News's open admission about their biases gives them more credibility. The public simply doesnt believe the protestations of the rest of the networks about their impartiality when surveys have overwhelmingly shown that Brokaw, Rather, the network executives vote for Democratic candidates. Their bias seeps into how they report the news and how they shape the "conventional wisdom". CBS, NBC, ABC reported on the Lewinsky saga, but the whole impression they gave off was that it wasnt a big deal. Now, in the sense that it was all about oral sex, etc but they missed the underlying problem that Clinton lied under oath about the whole affair and broke the law. It would be treated much more seriously by the networks had a Republican lied under oath about a similar situation.
- prz - 09-30-2004
tigerthelion Wrote:Anyone see the Daily show yesterday? Jon got a little payback on O'reilly. Kept showing clips of Bush's interview on O'reilly's show and how Bill kept saying how great Bush was for appearing on the show. Yeah, it must have been difficult for him appearing on the most right wing conservative show on television. Good stuff!
I saw that, it was hilarious, esp. after Bush kept asking about the swift boat ads and kept insisting he didnt know anything about it.
As for Bias, I think Dan Rather takes the cake on that. His own people told him not to publish those letters, he still did it.
What is more, he has long had it in for the Bush, if you want proof go back to a late 1980's interview he did with Bush Sr. that disgraced himself and ultimately helped Bush in the 1988 election.
- Stephen Dame - 09-30-2004
Billy O and his whole FOX news crew have zero credibility, and anyone who isn't a blind partisan can see that... they're cheerleaders.
Bill's: "It's impressive that the President didn't pre-screen these questions..." is proof enough of his absolute incompetence.
- Stephen Dame - 09-30-2004
Here's a new Stewart interview dealing with everything from Succeeding Dave to politicians kicking each other in the balls.
'Daily Show' star Stewart can write, too
September 30, 2004
BY MIKE THOMAS STAFF REPORTER
Jon Stewart, the perfectly coiffed king of Comedy Central's "The Daily
Show," is TV talkdom's golden child. Glowing press, five Emmys, gushing
guests -- the slathering goes on and on. Women love him, children love him,
old people love him. In short, Hoo-ah! The boy's on fire! And, as he would
tell you, it will never end. Ever.
A primary source of political news for legions of "stoned slackers," as Fox
commentator Bill O'Reilly recently referred to Stewart's viewership, the
left-leaning host wields considerable power to influence undecided voters in
this political season. Mostly, though, he just wants to be funny.
Now promoting the publication of his latest book America (The Book): A
Citizen's Guide to Democracy Inaction, he called from his New York offices
to talk about the tome, the possibility of succeeding David Letterman, and
why John Kerry should grow a Hitler mustache.
Q. Your new book looks and reads like a high school textbook. Why that
format?
A. First of all, thank you for saying it was high school. We clearly
believed it to be fifth or sixth grade. So either the educational system in
this country has nearly collapsed, or we did a slightly better job than I
thought. The voice of the show is false authority, and so there's very
little else that translates to other than academia. That pretension exists
in anchormen and professors, so to sustain our hubris, we had to put out
something like that.
Q. You've said it unsettles you to hear that a lot of young people get their
news from your show. And now they'll get it from your book. But isn't that
better than nothing?
A. [Big breath, pause.] Uh, no. I've actually decided to embrace it. And now
we are urging all children to listen only to us. And we are then gonna put
in subliminal messages. I would like to be the Fagan of the modern era, to
control the children, to have them -- I don't wanna say pickpocket, but
certainly identity theft, those kinds of things.
Q. Were you offended when Bill O'Reilly called your viewers "stoned
slackers"?
A. I didn't realize it. Listen, I never watch my show. I don't care for it.
So I was excited just to know who was watching.
Q. You're not like Letterman, reviewing tapes afterward for screw-ups?
A. I do review tapes, but believe me, it ain't my show I'm watching.
Q. What are you watching?
A. Let's just say I fast-forward to the good parts.
Q. Congrats on the latest Emmy, by the way. That's how many? Three?
A. Five! I am building a house of Emmys.
Q. And you've gotten a huge amount of great press.
A. And you know what's nice about it? It will never end. Ever.
Q. So you're a realist about this stuff.
A. Yes.
Q. Are you a glass-half-full kind of guy, or are you always dreading the end
when things get too good?
A. I'm mostly not paying attention to what's in the glass. They just tell me
to drink it and I go, "For five bucks?" "Yup." And then I do it. No. You
don't get into this business because you're worried about your security. You
get into the business because you've been fired from every other job. So
part of the issue is, this is what you do. You don't have a whole lot of
choice within that.
Q. NBC just announced that Conan O'Brien will succeed Jay Leno in five
years. Is Viacom grooming you to succeed Letterman?
A. First of all, I very much appreciate the idea that I'm being groomed. It
sort of conjures up chimps picking ticks off my head. Which is, actually,
how we conduct business around here. Viacom sends chimps over and they pick
my ticks. Viacom is a gigantic organization, CBS is a gigantic organization.
It's not like the presidency, where they do a line of succession. Like, if
Dave goes down, then the president pro tem of comedy becomes Jon.
Q. Would you accept the gig if it were offered?
A. You know what? I honestly just don't think that far ahead. Everyone likes
to speculate. I have considered starting my own "CSI" franchise. I just
don't think there's enough. I'd like to start a more suburban one. "CSI:
Suburbs." You know what I'd like to start? "CSI: Law and Order."
Q. That would be the most lucrative show of all time.
A. Don't you think? It would have to be.
Q. But ["Law & Order" creator] Dick Wolf would get 90 percent of the
profits.
A. I believe he gets 90 percent of the profits of everything.
Q. You're doing a live show tonight. What are your expectations for the
presidential debate?
A. I think it's going to be dull, in that for an hour and a half George Bush
and John Kerry will be humanlike, sort of like Bicentennial Man. And at the
end, one of them will show that he isn't afraid to love.
Q. If you were in a position to advise Kerry, what would you tell him?
A. I would say mustache. I just think a mustache is very presidential. It
shows real leadership. And you know what? I would do the Hitler mustache. I
just think that shows you don't follow polls. Lots of polls say the Hitler
mustache makes people uncomfortable. But you wear the Hitler mustache, you
can say, "Look, I'm my own man! I don't follow polls! I have a Hitler
mustache! A lot of people tell me that makes me look like Hitler! I don't
care!"
Q. And that would work.
A. Well, probably not. That's why I'm not an adviser.
Q. You interviewed Kerry a while back on your show. How do you think that
went?
A. Relatively lame, but [through] no fault of his. I was probably
self-conscious because, truth be told, I'd rather be funny than bring out
some sort of insightful, newsmaking statement from him. So those competing
goals probably got in the way a little bit.
Q. What makes for the funniest material when it comes to skewering
politicians?
A. I would think false sincerity. The most effective stuff for us is sort of
the hubris of the theater of politics, of people pretending that they are
[puts on Bush voice] "Working fer Amerrrca's families, to bring values and
goodness, to bring tasty cho-co-late to people's lives." It's that kind of
thing.
Q. Isn't politics just a popularity contest?
A. I don't know if it's a popularity contest, but there is a sense that that
president, at some point, has to somehow be no better than us. Much of the
campaign is, "Put on this jean shirt, roll it up. I know it gives you hives!
Just put it on! Get out there and tell the guy in the Dunkin' Donuts you're
fightin' for him." And so a lot of their plea is, "I'm just like you." And
you just wanna say, "Really? You watch 10 hours of TV a day? 'Cause it seems
like you got a country to run."
Q. People have said Kerry should fight dirtier to counteract Republican
attacks against him.
A. How much dirtier can these people fight? I mean, do you really wanna see
a presidential debate where someone gets kicked in the balls? Like, at a
certain point, even Aaron Burr is gonna be like, "Hey, hey, put everything
away. Let's let cooler heads prevail."
- The Darkest Canuck - 09-30-2004
there are no true leftist major media outlets in the USA because all of them are controlled by giant Corporations who are all very far to the right themselves, BUT, being the true capitalists that they are, they realize that not everybody is the same, and that there is a lot of $$$$$$$ to be made off of the people who are a little left of centre, gotta get that money mang! cuz money make the world go round.
- grooveless touque - 09-30-2004
Stephen Dame Wrote:Q. You're not like Letterman, reviewing tapes afterward for screw-ups?
A. I do review tapes, but believe me, it ain't my show I'm watching.
Q. What are you watching?
A. Let's just say I fast-forward to the good parts.
:lol: :thumb: This one nearly sent my mouthful of Cheerios across the room.
- Stephen Dame - 09-30-2004
grooveless touque Wrote:Stephen Dame Wrote:Q. You're not like Letterman, reviewing tapes afterward for screw-ups?
A. I do review tapes, but believe me, it ain't my show I'm watching.
Q. What are you watching?
A. Let's just say I fast-forward to the good parts.
:lol: :thumb: This one nearly sent my mouthful of Cheerios across the room.
Yeah, I thought that was funny too... Stewart's not only intelligent and witty, he's got ironic sarcasm down pat. I have a greater appreciation for his talents as an all around born-comic after reading this.
- tigerthelion - 09-30-2004
The Horrible Esthete Wrote:tigerthelion Wrote:O'reilly is a joke. He's one of the least credible political guys on television.
Oh, yea. Right.
He should strive to be as credible as Dan Rather and the rest of the overtly leftist network media giants!
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I simply cannot fathom how you could have posted such a thing after this whole CBS episode......
I agree that Rather is just as biased as O'reilly.
There is biased reporting on both sides of center. Nobody can dispute that. Fox is Republican, I'd say most of CBS is Democratic, and CNN seems to have a mixture of both the right and the left. That Tucker Carlson, he's quite a weird fella though with that children's bowtie and all. 
As for Jon Stewart, I think he is one funny guy. He's funny as hell.
- mr. rogers - 09-30-2004
the o'riley factor rules. people are so closeminded and judgemental to label someone as "conservative" or "republican" as being all bad and stupid. people praise left media, but not right. go figure