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Frank Zappa - Joe - 02-15-2007
I would just like to say that Frank Zappa kicks ass, and this thread is dedicated to how much ass he kicks.
Now I pose a question. Is Zappa a fucking genius, of God himself with the coolest mustasche ever?
I love Zappa, and so should you.
- BRoach - 02-15-2007
i got the album hot rats recently
it rips
Re: Frank Zappa - Gov'tMule - 02-17-2007
Joe Wrote:I would just like to say that Frank Zappa kicks ass, and this thread is dedicated to how much ass he kicks.
Now I pose a question. Is Zappa a fucking genius, of God himself with the coolest mustasche ever?
I love Zappa, and so should you.
Frank was a genius...as well as an asshole. He would say the same himself. He was very tempermental and (as his sound man once told me) kicked over the drumset and fired his drummer during a rehersal because the drummer couldn't hit the licks Frank wanted. He was notorious for not allowing any of his musicians to get high. Frank saw it as he saw it and said the same. No bullshit allowed.
Lowell George (founder of Little Feat and argueably one of the best slide guitar players who ever lived) was in Frank's original band. When Lowell wrote "Willin'" Frank said he was too good not to be on his own and sent him packing...thus came Little Feat.
When I was young, my older brothers had a Mothers of Invention album. I loved it and it was, perhaps, what got me into music beyond the Beatles and radio pop. Saw Frank once or twice. The man was a master musician. Beyond that, he was brilliant. Read some of what he said:
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Quote:Bob Marshall: Taking a statement that you made to Warner Brothers in 1971 in a pamphlet called "Hey, Snazzy Execs": "We make a special art in an environment hostile to dreamers"...
Frank Zappa: That's right. The environment that is hostile to dreamers is always the environment that is run by right-wing administrations because in order for the right-wing administration to maintain its fiction, it has to be ideologically pure and that ideology does not admit for creativity. There is nothing creative about a right-wing administration. The whole goal of it is to freeze time and to move things backward. So, obviously the people who are most at risk, whenever there is a right-wing administration sitting in place, is anybody who is an intellectual dreamer or creative person in any field. They are at risk because they pose a threat to the administration.
Bob Marshall: But you were quite vocal about certain left-wing elements in the Sixties.
Frank Zappa: I don't think that the left wing is anything to invest in. I think that the left wing has probably done as much damage as any other kind of political force. I think common sense is the way to go. There's no ideology for common sense. It's easy to talk about politics in terms of right and left wing because that's the way the news portrays it. And so to a degree, if I talk about political things I have to use the common parlance so people understand it. But I think of myself as a person devoted to practical and commonsense solutions to things that are real problems, and they oftentimes sound weird if suggested simply because people are so attached to the ideological ramblings of the right or the ideological ramblings of the left. They think that you have to choose between these two extremes. On the left you've got Communism. Well, Communism doesn't work. It absolutely doesn't work, and on the right you have Fascism and that doesn't work either.
Bob Marshall: So both environments are hostile to dreamers. Both political ideologies...
Frank Zappa: No, because the difference here is that the left has often employed artists and creative people in order to further their goals. For the right-wing administration, the artists and dreamers are a threat to their way of life. And for the left-wing guys, the artists and dreamers are propaganda. So there's a danger coming from both directions. One side would like to snuff you out and the other side would like to co-opt you and usurp you in order to have you do stuff and promote their ideals. So, anybody who's got an imagination has to watch out for both sides. There's only one place where you're safe and that's in the middle.
Re: Frank Zappa - BRoach - 02-17-2007
Gov'tMule Wrote:Joe Wrote:I would just like to say that Frank Zappa kicks ass, and this thread is dedicated to how much ass he kicks.
Now I pose a question. Is Zappa a fucking genius, of God himself with the coolest mustasche ever?
I love Zappa, and so should you.
Frank was a genius...as well as an asshole. He would say the same himself. He was very tempermental and (as his sound man once told me) kicked over the drumset and fired his drummer during a rehersal because the drummer couldn't hit the licks Frank wanted. He was notorious for not allowing any of his musicians to get high. Frank saw it as he saw it and said the same. No bullshit allowed.
Lowell George (founder of Little Feat and argueably one of the best slide guitar players who ever lived) was in Frank's original band. When Lowell wrote "Willin'" Frank said he was too good not to be on his own and sent him packing...thus came Little Feat.
When I was young, my older brothers had a Mothers of Invention album. I loved it and it was, perhaps, what got me into music beyond the Beatles and radio pop. Saw Frank once or twice. The man was a master musician. Beyond that, he was brilliant. Read some of what he said:
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.science.uva.nl/~robbert/zappa/interviews/Bob_Marshall/Part01.html">http://www.science.uva.nl/~robbert/zapp ... art01.html</a><!-- m -->
Quote:Bob Marshall: Taking a statement that you made to Warner Brothers in 1971 in a pamphlet called "Hey, Snazzy Execs": "We make a special art in an environment hostile to dreamers"...
Frank Zappa: That's right. The environment that is hostile to dreamers is always the environment that is run by right-wing administrations because in order for the right-wing administration to maintain its fiction, it has to be ideologically pure and that ideology does not admit for creativity. There is nothing creative about a right-wing administration. The whole goal of it is to freeze time and to move things backward. So, obviously the people who are most at risk, whenever there is a right-wing administration sitting in place, is anybody who is an intellectual dreamer or creative person in any field. They are at risk because they pose a threat to the administration.
Bob Marshall: But you were quite vocal about certain left-wing elements in the Sixties.
Frank Zappa: I don't think that the left wing is anything to invest in. I think that the left wing has probably done as much damage as any other kind of political force. I think common sense is the way to go. There's no ideology for common sense. It's easy to talk about politics in terms of right and left wing because that's the way the news portrays it. And so to a degree, if I talk about political things I have to use the common parlance so people understand it. But I think of myself as a person devoted to practical and commonsense solutions to things that are real problems, and they oftentimes sound weird if suggested simply because people are so attached to the ideological ramblings of the right or the ideological ramblings of the left. They think that you have to choose between these two extremes. On the left you've got Communism. Well, Communism doesn't work. It absolutely doesn't work, and on the right you have Fascism and that doesn't work either.
Bob Marshall: So both environments are hostile to dreamers. Both political ideologies...
Frank Zappa: No, because the difference here is that the left has often employed artists and creative people in order to further their goals. For the right-wing administration, the artists and dreamers are a threat to their way of life. And for the left-wing guys, the artists and dreamers are propaganda. So there's a danger coming from both directions. One side would like to snuff you out and the other side would like to co-opt you and usurp you in order to have you do stuff and promote their ideals. So, anybody who's got an imagination has to watch out for both sides. There's only one place where you're safe and that's in the middle.
interesting stuff
and i like your name + signature
Gov't Mule is off the chain!
- cferneyh - 02-17-2007
I grew up on Zappa as my old man was a huge fan. One of my dad's favourite pics of me as a kid is me sitting in a rocking chair holding the Apostrophe album. Some kids grew up singing nursery rhymes. I grew up singing "watch out where the huskies go, don't you eat that yellow snow."
I still remember the first time I played some Zappa for my wife. I can't quite describe the look she gave me, but it was somewhere between shock/confusion/bewilderment/concern. I'm 97% certain that she was thinking to herself: "this would be enough for an annulment, right?"
- BulletRiddled - 02-19-2007
One of my favorite video clips ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc
- Joe - 02-19-2007
FUCKIN' EH! GO ZAPPA!
- laliber - 02-19-2007
its about words :thumb: