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- Douglas - 04-13-2006

Sorry. My answer was posted while typing.

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- tommygunn - 04-13-2006

cferneyh Wrote:When you look at Detroit's and Nashville's records you see how this unbalanced scheduling doesn't work from a pure fairness point of view. While Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Colorado and Minnesota have to beat up on each other 32 times a year, Detroit and Nashville play crap teams like StL, Chi, and Columbus 24 times. That's simply not right. Sure, have a few more games within the division, but there is no reason every team can't have a home and home with every other team in the NHL.

I found this guy's analysis pretty interesting. It's a little outdated, but it makes a strong point, one that you and others have mentioned a few times on here.
Check out Detroit's record against the top 10 power ranked teams..
17 games played, 6 wins and 11 losses and ranked 17th in the league in win % against the top 10 teams.
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- Douglas - 04-13-2006

cferneyh Wrote:

ryan93 Wrote:Wow, what a night for Mats Sundin. He just made an absolute beautiful pass to Darcy Tucker, who missed...puck comes right back to Sundin, who makes an almost identical play out front to a pinching Tomas Kaberle, who wins it in OT. 6 points (4 goals 2 assists) for Mats Sundin.

What a stretch by Mats....a Jagr-esque 18 points in his last 9 games. The time he's been needed the most, and he's stepped up his game big time. If only he had some decent talent around him..... :x

I lost a lot of respect for Nieuwendyk and Roberts for deciding to play in Florida for a few more bucks than they could have made in Toronto, but I think it was great of Nieuwendyk to say this about Mats:

''Mats is a great captain and a good friend,'' said the former Leaf. ''Sometimes he takes some abuse (in Toronto) but this guy cares as much as any captain I've ever played with, and he steps his game up when he has to.''

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Thats great that Sundin has all those points now that the season is over. Where was Sundin and all of the other knob jockeys on his team for the first 70 games? If they would have played like this for the entire season they would be in the show. If I gave a shit about the Leafs I would not be pleased. Go Flames!

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- cferneyh - 04-13-2006

Douglas Wrote:

cferneyh Wrote:

ryan93 Wrote:Wow, what a night for Mats Sundin. He just made an absolute beautiful pass to Darcy Tucker, who missed...puck comes right back to Sundin, who makes an almost identical play out front to a pinching Tomas Kaberle, who wins it in OT. 6 points (4 goals 2 assists) for Mats Sundin.

What a stretch by Mats....a Jagr-esque 18 points in his last 9 games. The time he's been needed the most, and he's stepped up his game big time. If only he had some decent talent around him..... :x

I lost a lot of respect for Nieuwendyk and Roberts for deciding to play in Florida for a few more bucks than they could have made in Toronto, but I think it was great of Nieuwendyk to say this about Mats:

''Mats is a great captain and a good friend,'' said the former Leaf. ''Sometimes he takes some abuse (in Toronto) but this guy cares as much as any captain I've ever played with, and he steps his game up when he has to.''

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Thats great that Sundin has all those points now that the season is over. Where was Sundin and all of the other knob jockeys on his team for the first 70 games? If they would have played like this for the entire season they would be in the show. If I gave a shit about the Leafs I would not be pleased. Go Flames!

Christ, I dunno - maybe Mats missed 13 of them with an eye injury, then spent the next 20 or 30 trying to adjust to wearing a visor, which he then got rid of.....maybe.

Sorry, the Flames bandwagon is all full. Try San Jose's.

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- tigerthelion - 04-13-2006

direwolf74 Wrote:Ouch! And the 'Nucks playoff hopes take another one in the nads, courtesy of the San Jose Sharks.

At least they salvaged a point but they need the Oilers to lose a game to have a shot now. The Oilers keep giving the Nucks chances and the Canucks keep blowing it. I don't know why the Canucks suck so bad but it is pretty shameful. Auld has played as well as he can but the fact is he's not a top #1 goalie. I haven't seen the last two games so I don't know if Auld stunk or the defense of Vancouver stunk or both. The sad thing is I'm a fan of Auld but I don't think he's going to get much better. I don't think his potential ceiling is that high. To me, he'll never be better than a decent #1. I'd like to see Vancouver clean house at the end of the season. I wouldn't mind seeing Bertuzzi, Naslund, Cooke, Linden, Jovo, Cloutier, Morrison gone.

As for Joe Thornton, obviously it wasn't an even trade and everyone knows it. The only thing is that the Bruins SUCKED and weren't going anywhere WITH THORNTON so even if they kept him they still were a bad team. They just should have gotten more for him in return.

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- cferneyh - 04-13-2006

tommygunn Wrote:Getting 3 NHL-caliber players for 1 improves your depth, that's common sense.

I love it! So, in your mind, getting 3 players who don't make an impact on your team whatsoever, improves your "depth". But getting Joe Thornton, who leads your team into the playoffs, doesn't. Uh, OK. :thumb:

tommygunn Wrote:The Bruins have played 152 games since the trade? cratch:

Uh, no, the Bruins haven't. But those three players have played 152 games in total, since the trade. Would you like me to draw you a picture of how that works? Is it really that difficult to follow the logic here?

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- cferneyh - 04-13-2006

tigerthelion Wrote:

direwolf74 Wrote:Ouch! And the 'Nucks playoff hopes take another one in the nads, courtesy of the San Jose Sharks.

At least they salvaged a point but they need the Oilers to lose a game to have a shot now. The Oilers keep giving the Nucks chances and the Canucks keep blowing it. I don't know why the Canucks suck so bad but it is pretty shameful. Auld has played as well as he can but the fact is he's not a top #1 goalie. I haven't seen the last two games so I don't know if Auld stunk or the defense of Vancouver stunk or both. The sad thing is I'm a fan of Auld but I don't think he's going to get much better. I don't think his potential ceiling is that high. To me, he'll never be better than a decent #1. I'd like to see Vancouver clean house at the end of the season. I wouldn't mind seeing Bertuzzi, Naslund, Cooke, Linden, Jovo, Cloutier, Morrison gone.

As for Joe Thornton, obviously it wasn't an even trade and everyone knows it. The only thing is that the Bruins SUCKED and weren't going anywhere WITH THORNTON so even if they kept him they still were a bad team. They just should have gotten more for him in return.

A buddy of mine in Vancouver was telling me that he finds it very ironic that the Vancouver media was bashing the Leafs all during the pre-season and calling Sundin washed up, and now they are using him as an example of how Naslund should should be playing down the stretch.

Man, I wish I had a job in sports media.

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- tommygunn - 04-13-2006

cferneyh Wrote:

tommygunn Wrote:Getting 3 NHL-caliber players for 1 improves your depth, that's common sense.

I love it! So, in your mind, getting 3 players who don't make an impact on your team whatsoever, improves your "depth". But getting Joe Thornton, who leads your team into the playoffs, doesn't. Uh, OK. :thumb:

Talk about drawing pictures... wow.
I'll simplify it for you in hopes you understand.
You have 2 teams. One has 3 players, the other 1. Which team has more depth? :roll:

Quote: The Bruins have played 152 games since the trade?

Quote:Uh, no, the Bruins haven't. But those three players have played 152 games in total, since the trade. Would you like me to draw you a picture of how that works? Is it really that difficult to follow the logic here?

Fingernails corrected your snafu. :thumb:

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- cferneyh - 04-13-2006

tommygunn Wrote:

cferneyh Wrote:

tommygunn Wrote:Getting 3 NHL-caliber players for 1 improves your depth, that's common sense.

I love it! So, in your mind, getting 3 players who don't make an impact on your team whatsoever, improves your "depth". But getting Joe Thornton, who leads your team into the playoffs, doesn't. Uh, OK. :thumb:

Talk about drawing pictures... wow.
I'll simplify it for you in hopes you understand.
You have 2 teams. One has 3 players, the other 1. Which team has more depth? :roll:

Gee, I dunno - the team that improved?

Depth is pointless if it doesn't result in, you know, improvement.

Last I checked, they don't give out the Stanley Cup to the "deepest" team.

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- tragicallymike - 04-13-2006

cferneyh Wrote:

Douglas Wrote:

cferneyh Wrote:

ryan93 Wrote:Wow, what a night for Mats Sundin. He just made an absolute beautiful pass to Darcy Tucker, who missed...puck comes right back to Sundin, who makes an almost identical play out front to a pinching Tomas Kaberle, who wins it in OT. 6 points (4 goals 2 assists) for Mats Sundin.

What a stretch by Mats....a Jagr-esque 18 points in his last 9 games. The time he's been needed the most, and he's stepped up his game big time. If only he had some decent talent around him..... :x

I lost a lot of respect for Nieuwendyk and Roberts for deciding to play in Florida for a few more bucks than they could have made in Toronto, but I think it was great of Nieuwendyk to say this about Mats:

''Mats is a great captain and a good friend,'' said the former Leaf. ''Sometimes he takes some abuse (in Toronto) but this guy cares as much as any captain I've ever played with, and he steps his game up when he has to.''

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Thats great that Sundin has all those points now that the season is over. Where was Sundin and all of the other knob jockeys on his team for the first 70 games? If they would have played like this for the entire season they would be in the show. If I gave a shit about the Leafs I would not be pleased. Go Flames!

Christ, I dunno - maybe Mats missed 13 of them with an eye injury, then spent the next 20 or 30 trying to adjust to wearing a visor, which he then got rid of.....maybe.

Sorry, the Flames bandwagon is all full. Try San Jose's.

20 or 30 games trying to adjust to a visor.....you leafs fans freaking crack me up. Man if he only could have adjusted in 18 or 28 games you guys would have a shot at the playoffs.

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- ryan93 - 04-13-2006

Sundin has elevated his game for sometime now, while the Leafs were still in the thick of the playoff race. Hell the man has 17 goals in his last 20 games.

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- tommygunn - 04-13-2006

tragicallymike Wrote:

cferneyh Wrote:

Douglas Wrote:

cferneyh Wrote:

ryan93 Wrote:Wow, what a night for Mats Sundin. He just made an absolute beautiful pass to Darcy Tucker, who missed...puck comes right back to Sundin, who makes an almost identical play out front to a pinching Tomas Kaberle, who wins it in OT. 6 points (4 goals 2 assists) for Mats Sundin.

What a stretch by Mats....a Jagr-esque 18 points in his last 9 games. The time he's been needed the most, and he's stepped up his game big time. If only he had some decent talent around him..... :x

I lost a lot of respect for Nieuwendyk and Roberts for deciding to play in Florida for a few more bucks than they could have made in Toronto, but I think it was great of Nieuwendyk to say this about Mats:

''Mats is a great captain and a good friend,'' said the former Leaf. ''Sometimes he takes some abuse (in Toronto) but this guy cares as much as any captain I've ever played with, and he steps his game up when he has to.''

<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=162221&hubname=">http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=162221&hubname=</a><!-- m -->

Thats great that Sundin has all those points now that the season is over. Where was Sundin and all of the other knob jockeys on his team for the first 70 games? If they would have played like this for the entire season they would be in the show. If I gave a shit about the Leafs I would not be pleased. Go Flames!

Christ, I dunno - maybe Mats missed 13 of them with an eye injury, then spent the next 20 or 30 trying to adjust to wearing a visor, which he then got rid of.....maybe.

Sorry, the Flames bandwagon is all full. Try San Jose's.

20 or 30 games trying to adjust to a visor.....you leafs fans freaking crack me up. Man if he only could have adjusted in 18 or 28 games you guys would have a shot at the playoffs.

HAHAHA! :lol:

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- Douglas - 04-13-2006

cferneyh Wrote:

Douglas Wrote:

cferneyh Wrote:

ryan93 Wrote:Wow, what a night for Mats Sundin. He just made an absolute beautiful pass to Darcy Tucker, who missed...puck comes right back to Sundin, who makes an almost identical play out front to a pinching Tomas Kaberle, who wins it in OT. 6 points (4 goals 2 assists) for Mats Sundin.

What a stretch by Mats....a Jagr-esque 18 points in his last 9 games. The time he's been needed the most, and he's stepped up his game big time. If only he had some decent talent around him..... :x

I lost a lot of respect for Nieuwendyk and Roberts for deciding to play in Florida for a few more bucks than they could have made in Toronto, but I think it was great of Nieuwendyk to say this about Mats:

''Mats is a great captain and a good friend,'' said the former Leaf. ''Sometimes he takes some abuse (in Toronto) but this guy cares as much as any captain I've ever played with, and he steps his game up when he has to.''

<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=162221&hubname=">http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=162221&hubname=</a><!-- m -->

Thats great that Sundin has all those points now that the season is over. Where was Sundin and all of the other knob jockeys on his team for the first 70 games? If they would have played like this for the entire season they would be in the show. If I gave a shit about the Leafs I would not be pleased. Go Flames!

Christ, I dunno - maybe Mats missed 13 of them with an eye injury, then spent the next 20 or 30 trying to adjust to wearing a visor, which he then got rid of.....maybe.

Sorry, the Flames bandwagon is all full. Try San Jose's.

I've been driving 6 hours to go to Flames games with my Dad for 20 years so stick your bandwagon comment up your Leafs fan (ass).

Wahhhhh wahhhhh eye injury wahhhhh waaaaaaah 30 games to adjust to visor wahhh waaaaaaahhh. Shut up! Just shut up! Sundin licked all year when the pressure was on now they are out hes your new Jesus. I stand by my knob jockey comment and include you in the knob jockey club.

Go Sharks! :thumb:

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- Douglas - 04-13-2006

tragicallymike Wrote:

cferneyh Wrote:

Douglas Wrote:

cferneyh Wrote:

ryan93 Wrote:Wow, what a night for Mats Sundin. He just made an absolute beautiful pass to Darcy Tucker, who missed...puck comes right back to Sundin, who makes an almost identical play out front to a pinching Tomas Kaberle, who wins it in OT. 6 points (4 goals 2 assists) for Mats Sundin.

What a stretch by Mats....a Jagr-esque 18 points in his last 9 games. The time he's been needed the most, and he's stepped up his game big time. If only he had some decent talent around him..... :x

I lost a lot of respect for Nieuwendyk and Roberts for deciding to play in Florida for a few more bucks than they could have made in Toronto, but I think it was great of Nieuwendyk to say this about Mats:

''Mats is a great captain and a good friend,'' said the former Leaf. ''Sometimes he takes some abuse (in Toronto) but this guy cares as much as any captain I've ever played with, and he steps his game up when he has to.''

<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=162221&hubname=">http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=162221&hubname=</a><!-- m -->

Thats great that Sundin has all those points now that the season is over. Where was Sundin and all of the other knob jockeys on his team for the first 70 games? If they would have played like this for the entire season they would be in the show. If I gave a shit about the Leafs I would not be pleased. Go Flames!

Christ, I dunno - maybe Mats missed 13 of them with an eye injury, then spent the next 20 or 30 trying to adjust to wearing a visor, which he then got rid of.....maybe.

Sorry, the Flames bandwagon is all full. Try San Jose's.

20 or 30 games trying to adjust to a visor.....you leafs fans freaking crack me up. Man if he only could have adjusted in 18 or 28 games you guys would have a shot at the playoffs.

Trying to explain hockey to a Leafs fan is like trying to explain String Theory to retard. Hopeless.

Golf Leafs Golf!

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- ryan93 - 04-13-2006

Henrik Lundqvist better be ready for the playoffs, because if the Rangers have to go into the post season with Kevin Weekes as the starter they are doomed. Horrible loss to the Pittsburgh Penguins tonight, but man was i ever impressed with Sidney Crosby tonight, that man/kid is on a mission to become the youngest player in NHL history to reach the 100 point mark, and he's likely going to do it. 4 points tonight, so with 3 games remaining he sits at 97 points. He dominated tonight though, without question the best player on the ice. Colby Armstrong scored a pair for the Pens, as he continues his hot play as well. The way Armstrong has finished off this season, he'll be a guy to potentially watch for come hockey pool time next fall. Sergei Gonchar played well too, the last 4 or 5 Pens games i've seen, Gonchar has played great.

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