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- ron - 05-08-2003

not just any wings you must go to the anchor bar the birthplace of the chicken wing

anyone who wants some to order

go to <a class="postlink" href="http://www.buffalofoods.com">www.buffalofoods.com</a>

enjoy

Ron

- Storm - 05-08-2003

will they deliver in the Netherlands Ron?? :wink:

cause most of our chickens are destroyed because of the (bird) plague..

- ron - 05-08-2003

that i don't know but give it a try

they are very good

later

Ron

- jen - 05-09-2003

Or you may just have to visit us here, to get them nice and hot and fresh...yummmmmmmmmy!!!! :wink:
Our pizza is amazing also, we are known for it Smile

-Jen

- HIPpyLettuce - 05-09-2003

highwaygirl28 Wrote:Or you may just have to visit us here, to get them nice and hot and fresh...yummmmmmmmmy!!!! :wink:
Our pizza is amazing also, we are known for it
-Jen

B.C. Canada is known for 'stuff' as well :wink:

- CanuckCourage - 05-09-2003

highwaygirl28 Wrote:Or you may just have to visit us here, to get them nice and hot and fresh...yummmmmmmmmy!!!! :wink:
Our pizza is amazing also, we are known for it
-Jen

I'd heard about Buffalo Wings before but never knew what the deal was . After seeing Hipkid 33's post on how they're made , well i'm getting hungry thinking about them . Not to mention blue cheese dressing is my favourite . Damn I'm HUNGRY !

Saddam's statue - Pete - 06-01-2003

Hey guys I'm new to the club. Finally found some true hip fans. I'm from Lake Placid, NY but currentlly I'm in the US army. I am deployed over in Iraq right now. I saw first hand what when on before, during and after the war in Iraq. Things in this country were not pleasant. In my opinion the British and US military did alot of good for the people of Iraq. I was able to conversate on a personnal level with the people that live in and around the city of Baghdad. Thier feelings toward the war are nothing but positive. I actually had to work along side some of them and I had a chance to visit them at their homes. They are very nice people and actually are very americanized. I played many hip CD's for the people I met and they loved them. Especially the children. ages 12-18. Well gotta go for now. Don't have much time on the computers.

Re: Saddam's statue - mrlayance - 06-01-2003

Pete Wrote:Hey guys I'm new to the club. Finally found some true hip fans. I'm from Lake Placid, NY but currentlly I'm in the US army. I am deployed over in Iraq right now. I saw first hand what when on before, during and after the war in Iraq. Things in this country were not pleasant. In my opinion the British and US military did alot of good for the people of Iraq. I was able to conversate on a personnal level with the people that live in and around the city of Baghdad. Thier feelings toward the war are nothing but positive. I actually had to work along side some of them and I had a chance to visit them at their homes. They are very nice people and actually are very americanized. I played many hip CD's for the people I met and they loved them. Especially the children. ages 12-18. Well gotta go for now. Don't have much time on the computers.

Wow, Stay safe. How do you feel about Canada not fighting along side the US?

Re: Saddam's statue - CanuckCourage - 06-01-2003

Pete Wrote:They are very nice people and actually are very americanized.

Americanized ? Really , how so ?

- CanuckCourage - 12-09-2003

It's been a while since anything has been posted here . What used to be an issue isn't anymore , because were not flooded with it everyday . I was reminded of how much I can't stand Bush and the propaganda machine when a friend sent me a link to CNN on troop casualties in the invasion . As I write this 446 Americans have been killed , most with their pictures and a little writeup . I looked for Iraqi Casualties and found no listing . Nothing on troop deaths , so I looked for civillian casualties , surely they deserve the respect to at least be acknowleged . Nothing , their faces deserve to be right there , they were the truly innocent . But I guess in CNN's wisdom , it would be pretty hard to come up with an estimated minimum 7935 faces , ( <a class="postlink" href="http://iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm">http://iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm</a> ) and I suppose Iraqi women and children don't make good postersboys for CNN's glorification of the invasion .

Now I will give Bush credit for being consistent . He has managed to lie and be completely oblivious to reason . Just a week ago he spent thanksgiving with troops in Iraq , stating that ""You are defeating the terrorists here in Iraq so we don't have to face them in our own country,"
Really George ? Wow, here I thought none of the Hijackers were from Iraq . None of the Hijackers had any connection to Iraq .

I like this one;

March 17, 2003 - George W. Bush - Address to the Nation

“Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.”

Yes we saw that awesome display of force , surely the world was in peril from this massive arsenal . 446 americans killed , I thought the apocolypse was upon us , estimated 7900 hundred civillians killed and 10,000 Iraqi troops . Good job Dubya , greedy :censored puppet .

What Ever happened to Osama ? Don't hear much about him , now that a new great cause has replaced the urgency to gain revenge on the perpetrator of the 9/11 attacks . The eradication of Saddam Hussein to ease a peoples plight and hardships , is now the focus ( distraction) .

Remember hearing about the great liberation ? Wanting to bring democracy to Iraq . For the people , who have suffered under the tyrant . 7900+ civillians were lifted from their burden of life . Small in comparison to the estimated deaths caused from the UN Imposed sanctions after the first Gulf war , mostly children who died from malnutrition over a decade of sanctions .

So back to CNN , I browse on over to the Impact section of the War in Iraq special . War Front title catches my eyes with a subtitle that reads "Iraqi civilians coped with war at home" Finally some acknowledgement of the impact cluster bombs and the like that eradicated thousands of civillians . My mistake , in my excited haste I forgot to read the 4 articles listed 1.Electricity Flickers Back In Baghdad 2.Animals Battle To Survive in Zoo 3. WHO : Little Risk From Stolen Polio 4. Iraqi farmer Leaves Life Of Fear Behind .Keep in mind this is their summary of the effect of the war on the Iraqi front up to april 18 , the last time the "War Front" was updated , the Allied casualties are updated regularly . Animals battle To Survive in Zoo ? Who gives a :censored :censored !!! People are starving to death , with rancid water supply , infrastructure demolished . Four , insignificant feel good stories on how Iraqi Citizens are dealing with the invasion . CNN felt it neccessary to have pages on weapons military units , strategy etc... It looks like a GI Joe Catalogue fo Christmas shopping , nice little cartoons . They should have got their artist to draw some persons head half blown off , or living in squalor , or dying of starvation , disease , etc ...

As I write this , I can look around me and see CD's , a couple hundred , the luxury I live in , is at the cost of another persons necessities . In the name of Truth Justice and Liberty we can throw our PS2 on, and waste away a few hours , oblivious to anyone who may be suffering, starving dying, in the name of "Freedom" our pleasure is the cost of someone else's misery . Why should we care that their government is corrupt ? Ruthless ? It's not our problem, our own country is our problem . Our comfort is what holds us down , what allows us to slowly but surely let Government do what it will , only when we are near death will we fight for our rights , which by that time will have been fully stripped . Confused

cratch:

We live in a consumer society , our lives , wrapped in greed , fifty years ago merchandise was made to last , the philosophy was that quality would bring the customer back . Now commercialism will bring in a customer , a known face , celebrity, gimmick, will sell . We are bred to spend and assosiate it with success, comfort and happiness , following empty ideals . Goods are made to breakdown , everything is made to end . Why make $50.00 on an item that lasts for twenty years ? When you can make the same thing for less money , sell it for the same price and force the consumer to buy it every 3 years . Confused

cratch: Greed , upper hierarchy thrives , flourishes on power and greed , and we align like sheep . Media has made activism sound like some kind of disease , a dirty word , those who disrupt our perfect illusions . An example could be the G-8 summit that was held here in Alberta in June 2002 . In Kananaskis Country to be exact , in the Rocky mountains , where protests were to be completely stifled due to it's location and limited access, so no negativity would come of the G-8 Summit . Living in Calgary I got the media spin everyday, focus turned from the G-8 conference to what will happen when the protesters come here . <a class="postlink" href="http://www.calgarysun.com/cgi-bin/niveau2.cgi?s=generic17&p=59057.html&a=1">http://www.calgarysun.com/cgi-bin/nivea ... 7.html&a=1</a> What kind of mass havoc will ensue , fear tactics were being used well to stifle a basic human right to express ones opinion , the same rights that were walked all over and violated in Vancouver during the Nov 25,1997 APEC protests at the University British Columbia .( <a class="postlink" href="http://www.cbc.ca/storyview/CBC/1998/01/20/apec980120a">http://www.cbc.ca/storyview/CBC/1998/01/20/apec980120a</a> ) I got to see the local news station asking a poll question , something to the effect of " Do you wan't the protesters coming to Calgary ?" and what kind of negative effect will this have ? This instills the ideal that protest is an affront to society when in fact it offers the opposite , the right to give ones opinion , something that is skewed in popular media by political and financially beneficial reasons .

Greed and power are what govern the Iraq Invasion . How much has this invasion cost the American public ? Check out this link for the latest number <a class="postlink" href="http://www.costofwar.com/">http://www.costofwar.com/</a>

As for the contractors picking up the pieces of Iraq . A nice list.. (here's a link for the complete list <a class="postlink" href="http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/bio.aspx?act=pro&fil=IQ">http://www.publicintegrity.org/wow/bio. ... pro&fil=IQ</a> )

Kellogg, Brown and Root (Halliburton) with a 2 Billion dollar contract in Iraq . Dick Cheney the Vice President is former CEO of Halliburton .

Bechtel won a $680 million dollar contract with former Secretary of State George Shultz, will do the initial work of rebuilding the "vital elements of Iraq's infrastructure," including power facilities, electrical grids, municipal water and sewage systems. Bechtel also took over the Municipal Water System in Cochabamba Bolivia , <a class="postlink" href="http://www.democracyctr.org/bechtel/waterbills/">http://www.democracyctr.org/bechtel/waterbills/</a> where they proceeded to double the water prices in a desperately poor city , most people barely surving on what they make , a revolt followed .

Fluor and Perini will perform similar work in central and southern Iraq. Both recieving contract that will guarantee no less than $500,000 and a cap of $500,000,000.

Washington Group International - $100 Million Dollar Contract . Executive vice president and CFO George H. Juetten previously was senior vice president and CFO for Dresser Industries, a subsidiary of Halliburton Inc. Steve Johnson joined Washington Group in November of 2001 as senior executive vice president after nearly 27 years with Flour Corp. Washington Group International will repair electrical infrastructure in northern Iraq .

This stuff is just a part of the reason for this "war" . One thing that is obvious is that this invasion had nothing to do with Weapons of Mass Destruction , Liberation to bring Democracy, Regime Change or bringing Terrorists to Justice . All these reasons brought forward by Bush and his Administration as being the reasons for the invasion . This is something that has been bugging me and had to get it off my chest . Rant Over . :nooooo

Mark

- prz - 12-09-2003

Mark, you make alot of valid points but I have to say this,

First, as to the protestors that came to alberta for the G8 summit. It was no so much that protesting is bad, its the violence that occurs at these events. Problem is, the violence is caused by a very small group of people who ruin it for everyone else. Most people who go to protest are peaceful and just expressing one of their democractic rights. But its fair for cities to question having these summits have left past cities damaged.

Second, as for the weapons of mass destruction, none have been found, but that does not mean they are not there. For example, look at the anthrax scare in the US where people died. They know someone was making it and sending it out to Senators. But they have not found out where it came from. Does this mean there was no anthrax created? No, it just has not been found yet.

Third, As for Mr. Cheney, if its all about making money for US companies as you elude. How come the US did not do the same thing after the Gulf War. That is take over and make money for US companies? Mr. Cheney at the time was I am sure you are aware was the US secretary of Defense.

- CanuckCourage - 12-09-2003

PRZ, I agree with you that violence does occur sometimes at protests , there are always people who take it too far whether it be protesters , robust teenagers or people who are there to cause trouble and get themselves on TV, oblivious to any cause , gatherings of people will always bring that element . (look what happens when the Lakers win a Championship ) But what I am speaking of is an overwhelming Media attention towards it , I live here and so I saw it first hand , the focus was on what havoc would be wreaked by the "protesters" . The whole slant was what will this do to Calgary's reputation , will we be able to hold events in the future if chaos ensues . What bothered me was the overwhelming press negativity to anyone who protests . As apposed to the human right issues etc ..

In my mind there is no doubt Saddam Hussein would have had , or tried to aquire "Weapons of Mass Destruction " . However there was little hard evidence of this , and it was obvious that what few weapons he had were of no threat to anyone , his army in the first Gulf war compared to this invasion were vastly different armies , everyone knew this . He was no threat to anyone but his own people . I think that in his last stand he would have put up more of a fight, had he the arsenal. If he had this massive threat of fire power , surely he would have unleashed it , and now they can't find anything ? Even if they find some Mustard gas etc... The quantities better be so massive as to prove he was a threat , and especially to the US on the other side of the world .

After Iraq invaded Kuwait in August 1990, the United Nations passed resolutions that cleared the way for economic sanctions and for military intervention. The United States was working with and through the United Nations at the time . The first Gulf War was cut and dried , Iraq invaded Kuwait and had to be removed . US had no place to go in and take over , Iraq lost , and retreated . A ceasefire was called after this by the United Nations . The UN would not have approved of the US taking over Iraq , much like this most recent invasion by the Americans/Coalition Forces . I don't believe money was the only reason for the invasion , but I do believe it had nothing to do with WMD , Liberation or Regime Change , other than the fact regime change cleared the way for occupation .

This next little bit is off topic a little , but this discussion has opened it up for me , and so I must mention it ... So the Iraqi Army retreated , Saddam Hussein announced a complete troop withdrawal from Kuwait in compliance with UN Resolution 660. A stretch of highway from Mutla , Kuwait to Basra , Iraq (60miles) was the only way out for the forces , so they made there way back to Iraq thinking the war had ended , in this convey were a reported 2000 plus vehicles and tens of thousands of soldiers and and some civillians . Much of the Army on foot . The US sealed off both ends of the road and strafed them with bombers , helicoters and heavy ammunition . All this after troop withdrawel was declared . Few survivors were found , this action directly violates Geneva Convention of 1949, common article 3, which states that soldiers who "are out of combat." are not to be killed . The Iraqi army was no doubt an invading force , but the US should practice what they Preach . this is what the highway of death looked like afterwards . <a class="postlink" href="http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0212/pt04.html">http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0212/pt04.html</a>

- dyersbay - 12-10-2003

Wow that's a lot to read. Confused

hock:

- VioletlightHeron - 12-10-2003

Mark, I think there are several things wrong about your analysis of the rational for the first Gulf War. First, the UN, the US and the world essentially created the mess we are in today because they decided not to overthrow the monster they created back in 1991. What sense does it make to let Saddam continue in power after his invasion of Kuwait? I think the UN was naive in assuming that Saddam would be a good boy and not invade his neighbors or brutally supress the Shia's, Kurds or other political opponents. Essentially, the UN is myopic about dictators and tyrannical governments in general. With Saddam, their thinking was that you've done bad by invading another country, tisk tisk, but your legitimate because you are the major power within your country, no matter how you came to power, they treat governments that derive their power from the consent of the people as equals with those who govern out of fear, supression and murder(Saddam, Kim Jong Il, Mugabe)True, sanctions hurt the ordinary person far more than the dictator or tyrant in power because the ordinary guy doesnt have the power or resources to thwart the sanctions like Saddam did, yet the anti-sanctions groups argue that the sanctions should be removed and say nothing about removing Saddam. How is that going to make the situation better? The ordinary guy is going to have access to medical supplies, food, fuel, etc but dont you think the ordinary guy is going to be denied these resources unless he/she agrees to support the dictator/tyrant again? Removing sanctions in these cases is putting these people at the whim of tyranny without access to basic human rights. Sometimes, invasion of tyrannical governments is the only way to free people who dont have the power to free themselves. There is alot of pain, destruction and death involved and I agree that war is never pretty. But sometimes you have to tear down and then rebuild to give people a chance to make smart choices of their own.

- CanuckCourage - 12-10-2003

VLH I will respond to your post tomorrow , I don't have time to answer it properly before going to bed . I'm sick and 5:30 comes early , just so you know i'm not ducking you .

Mark