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Re: We Are The Same Discussion - The Horrible Esthete - 04-17-2009
Graham Wrote:Whoever is criticizing Rock for WATS is, IMO, obviously misunderstanding these songs. You take these songs down to just guitars and it's a mediocre album, it loses the emotional warmth and shine.
Agree 100% :thumb:
Re: We Are The Same Discussion - Phantom51 - 04-17-2009
TrooperV Wrote:Just took a 1st listen to "We are the Same". I now feel a need to get a Hip fix and will watch "That Night in Toronto" because I certainly did not get it from the the new cd. There was not one song that did not have somthing just "strange" in it. It was almost a different band, like a Gord Downie Cd without the band. It is over produced, poppy, melodramatic, full of strings. I will have to take a 2nd listen, but I do not think I will be able to talk my husband into it. :nooooo
Sorry guys, I will attampt another listen or two (becasue it's the Hip), but I may just have to wait for the next album (hopefully with a different producer?)
It needs 5 listens I think for it to sink in, Like any great Hip album it takes a while, I remember not liking PP and TATH, the first couple times through.
Re: We Are The Same Discussion - The Horrible Esthete - 04-17-2009
Honey, Please = incredible.
That piano sound they use along with the mandolin in the
Whenever I get lost
Whenever I feel weak
Whenever or just because
You whisper it to me
part is f'n sweet.
Does anyone know -- is that particular sound just a function of the sustain pedal? It sounds like an old player piano, or one of those old pianos you hear in a saloon scene in a western film.
Furthermore, I'd just like to say that I am digging Tracks 1-9 perhaps more than the first 9 on any other album. Not saying this is their best record, but it's rare for me to have no "skip" songs in the first 9 of a Hip record.
Re: We Are The Same Discussion - Escape@Hand - 04-17-2009
Graham Wrote:You take these songs down to just guitars and it's a mediocre album, it loses the emotional warmth and shine.
For me that's part of the problem. I'm still "feeling" my way through the album, as I was one of those who had to suffer the wrath of ticketmaster, but for some reason I just get a sense that some of the songs are just mediocre. There's lots of great stuff going on, but it seems like "fluff" to me. A great song is a great song whether it's on an acoustic guitar or if it's got full orchestration. Something just seems to bug me about some of these tunes for some reason. There is nothing bad on the album, but for me (so far) there isn't a lot of great stuff either. Kind of middle of the road I guess. Perhaps it needs to grow on me (unlike most hip albums which I instantly love), but I'm not feeling this album as much as some others here.
Re: We Are The Same Discussion - GBV - 04-17-2009
ok ok i'm on 50-plus listens and am liking it more and more every time.
it sure ain't gonna be a "mainstream" success though. whatever.
i could very much do without speed river and honey, please, but i'm really coming around to the rest of it.
especially the depression suite.
to put a 9:28 song smack dab in the middle of the album? gold.
Re: We Are The Same Discussion - direwolf74 - 04-17-2009
Another really cool thing I noticed about The Last Recluse: the way the lead guitar plays along with Gord's operatic singing during that gorgeous solo/bridge section. And then you've also got the Hammond B3 in there as well, and holy crap does that ever make for an awesome mix. What a beautiful song.
Re: We Are The Same Discussion - rob68 - 04-17-2009
direwolf74 Wrote:Another really cool thing I noticed about The Last Recluse: the way the lead guitar plays along with Gord's operatic singing during that gorgeous solo/bridge section. And then you've also got the Hammond B3 in there as well, and holy crap does that ever make for an awesome mix. What a beautiful song.
Do we even know for sure that's Gord, or could it be a Bob Rock vocal-sample-production-thingy? And who does the whoa-ohs on Frozen In My Tracks....
Re: We Are The Same Discussion - direwolf74 - 04-17-2009
rob68 Wrote:direwolf74 Wrote:Another really cool thing I noticed about The Last Recluse: the way the lead guitar plays along with Gord's operatic singing during that gorgeous solo/bridge section. And then you've also got the Hammond B3 in there as well, and holy crap does that ever make for an awesome mix. What a beautiful song.
Do we even know for sure that's Gord, or could it be a Bob Rock vocal-sample-production-thingy? And who does the whoa-ohs on Frozen In My Tracks....
Sounds very much like Gord to me. The backing vox on Frozen in My Tracks are probably a combination of Gord S., Paul, and Gord, and then Bob just double-tracked each one to get that "chorus" effect of a bunch of people singing. I'm sure for the live shows it'll just be Paul and Gord S. doing those parts, as they can't really duplicate that live unless they have a backing track playing. And that would just be lame if they did that.
Re: We Are The Same Discussion - rob68 - 04-17-2009
direwolf74 Wrote:The backing vox on Frozen in My Tracks are probably a combination of Gord S., Paul, and Gord, and then Bob just double-tracked each one to get that "chorus" effect of a bunch of people singing.
Or Jon Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora.... :wink:
Re: We Are The Same Discussion - chris - 04-18-2009
rob68 Wrote:Nope. No talk box. :lol:direwolf74 Wrote:The backing vox on Frozen in My Tracks are probably a combination of Gord S., Paul, and Gord, and then Bob just double-tracked each one to get that "chorus" effect of a bunch of people singing.
Or Jon Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora.... :wink:
Re: We Are The Same Discussion - Escape@Hand - 04-18-2009
direwolf74 Wrote:rob68 Wrote:direwolf74 Wrote:Another really cool thing I noticed about The Last Recluse: the way the lead guitar plays along with Gord's operatic singing during that gorgeous solo/bridge section. And then you've also got the Hammond B3 in there as well, and holy crap does that ever make for an awesome mix. What a beautiful song.
Do we even know for sure that's Gord, or could it be a Bob Rock vocal-sample-production-thingy? And who does the whoa-ohs on Frozen In My Tracks....
Sounds very much like Gord to me. The backing vox on Frozen in My Tracks are probably a combination of Gord S., Paul, and Gord, and then Bob just double-tracked each one to get that "chorus" effect of a bunch of people singing. I'm sure for the live shows it'll just be Paul and Gord S. doing those parts, as they can't really duplicate that live unless they have a backing track playing. And that would just be lame if they did that.
Unless the whole audicence screams "whoa", which would totally (Bob) Rock!
Re: We Are The Same Discussion - The Horrible Esthete - 04-18-2009
direwolf74 Wrote:rob68 Wrote:direwolf74 Wrote:Another really cool thing I noticed about The Last Recluse: the way the lead guitar plays along with Gord's operatic singing during that gorgeous solo/bridge section. And then you've also got the Hammond B3 in there as well, and holy crap does that ever make for an awesome mix. What a beautiful song.
Do we even know for sure that's Gord, or could it be a Bob Rock vocal-sample-production-thingy? And who does the whoa-ohs on Frozen In My Tracks....
Sounds very much like Gord to me.
I'm still not convinced. Sounds like it could be Gord double-tracked with a ton a reverb, but what's throwing me is the vibrato -- doesn't sound like "gord-vibrato". I could be (and probably am) wrong, of course, but the variation sounds a little too regular, pure, and strong for his voice - that's why I initially thought it was a cello, or a vocal doubled by a cello. But when I put the 'cans' on, it does sound more like voice than string. Maybe it's BOTH - a doubled vocal, but in addition to the reverb, they're adding some other effect that intensifies/regulates the vibrato? I dunno.
Re: We Are The Same Discussion - Raymond23 - 04-18-2009
I grew up in Canada. The Hip were big when I was in college. Never really paid attention to them until I went to Another Roadside Attreaction in Barrie.
Absolutely amazing show.
So , I became a fan. Bought all the albums and I did like them. But there is no album I loved end to end. Mostly, there were 3-4 songs on each that were amazing.
Then Phantom Power came out and I really didn't get it.
I then moved to the states and forgot about the Hip (well, not exactly-I saw them twice live down here). During my last trip home, I swung by the HMV and saw a bunch more Hip albums and bought them (In Violet Light, World Container, and In Between Evolutions). Listened to each twice and hated it all.
Seriously.
I did like That Night In Toronto. But listening to those CD's, Gord's voice sounded awful and out of tune.
It seemed to me that the glory days were gone.
I am not sure why I ordered We Are The Same. It was likely the free Live From The Vault 4 CD that pushed me over the edge. I then forgot about the order. Was surprised to get a package in the mail yesterday. It was the We Are The Same.
First thing I did was listen to...Live From The Vault. Amazing classic show. Great recording! This is the Hip I fell in love with.
I finally, and rather indifferently put We Are The Same in the CD player.
So, this review is from a casual fan. One that likes the band live, and like some of their songs, but has never been a diehard fan.
This may be the best Hip album I have ever heard (although I still favor Fully Completely). Gord's voice sounds solid-and in tune. The album is mellow, but beautiful and haunting. I really like everything on this album. Every song is on my playlist.
Thanks Gord. I'm a fan again...
Re: We Are The Same Discussion - TrooperV - 04-18-2009
Phantom51 Wrote:TrooperV Wrote:Just took a 1st listen to "We are the Same". I now feel a need to get a Hip fix and will watch "That Night in Toronto" because I certainly did not get it from the the new cd. There was not one song that did not have somthing just "strange" in it. It was almost a different band, like a Gord Downie Cd without the band. It is over produced, poppy, melodramatic, full of strings. I will have to take a 2nd listen, but I do not think I will be able to talk my husband into it. :nooooo
Sorry guys, I will attampt another listen or two (becasue it's the Hip), but I may just have to wait for the next album (hopefully with a different producer?)
It needs 5 listens I think for it to sink in, Like any great Hip album it takes a while, I remember not liking PP and TATH, the first couple times through.
K, so I am on my 3rd listen, and it's really growing on me in a strange way. Not like any other Hip Cd. Watching "Live in Toronto" right now and observing that there are no songs on the WATS that sound anything like their staples (Courage, 100th Meridian, Grace Too). It just doesn't 'rock'. But I am starting to really like it for what it is.
cratch: :music
Re: We Are The Same Discussion - direwolf74 - 04-19-2009
TrooperV Wrote:Watching "Live in Toronto" right now and observing that there are no songs on the WATS that sound anything like their staples (Courage, 100th Meridian, Grace Too). It just doesn't 'rock'.
I disagree. Queen of the Furrows, Speed River, Frozen in My Tracks and Love is a First offer up plenty of "rock" to balance out the mellowness of the first 6 songs.