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Re: On Time Perception and 'Classic Hip' - direwolf74 - 09-04-2016
sonichka11 Wrote:direwolf74 Wrote:Yeah I get it. I've just never been into that sorta thing, especially when the band is very clearly concerned about it.
I hear ya. As I got older, I grew out of that stuff pretty quickly and now I avoid it like the plague. I remember a Hip show in Spokane in 2004 in a small club called the Big Easy. The place held maybe 600 people, and I don't even think the show was sold out. Sam Roberts opened and there were maybe 30 people there during his set. By the time the Hip hit went on though, the area in front of the stage had filled up. The crowd surfing/moshing started about three songs into the set, which was ridiculous considering there was more than enough room in the place for people to spread out and just enjoy the show. Gord was pissed. He stopped the show at one point and told people to chill out. Everyone was on their best behavior after that.
Re: On Time Perception and 'Classic Hip' - direwolf74 - 09-04-2016
Chris Tanz Wrote:My first Hip show was Canada Day '94 at Molson Park and it was a massive mosh pit down front. I partly braved it and then fell back. I remember seeing my cousin crawl out of the pit at the end. It looked like he had been in a war and had lost 20 pounds sweating it out. And the look in his eyes: exhilaration.
Haha. That was me at the first ARA in '93. It was pretty crazy during Midnight Oil, but then the Hip went on and the entire crowd surged forward like a giant wave. It was kinda scary, but really exciting at the same time. Once I got my footing it was ok, and if you were a small person like me, people were usually pretty cool and tried to protect you as much as they could.
Re: On Time Perception and 'Classic Hip' - sonichka11 - 09-04-2016
I guess I feel like I'm the band's guest at a show, so I'd rather play by their rules. You don't put your muddy shoes on someone else's sofa. Or maybe I'm a stick in the mud and need to lighten up. At least I'm not as bad as my aunt. She thought we were all out of our minds this tour simply with the over zealous cheering. She hasn't been to a "rock show" in many years lol
Back to the topic at hand. I do tend to forget how long I've been following some bands. I'll always feel like I missed out of u2's best years having joined the Fandom in 97. But then I remember that I missed the first 17 but have been following them for 19! Over half of their career. I guess I didn't miss as much as I'd thought. All a matter of perspective.
Re: On Time Perception and 'Classic Hip' - sean.bonner - 09-04-2016
U2 should tour ZooTV again.
Re: On Time Perception and 'Classic Hip' - sonichka11 - 09-05-2016
sean.bonner Wrote:U2 should tour ZooTV again.
Ugh don't remind me of what I missed!!!! Bonó's voice was the best it ever was or will be that tour. Nothing will ever top Mysterious Ways and Running into Streets from that tour. People like to bash Bono, but he had one of the best voices, technically, of any rock musicians. As mentioned, just listen to anything from that tour. Mind blowing. (I'm a bit biased lol Fav band and all. ) At least we got to hear a ton of AB 2 tour ago. There's always hope they'll bring out Zooropa one day though I doubt.
I digress. Don't ever get me going on u2. :lol:
Re: On Time Perception and 'Classic Hip' - sean.bonner - 09-05-2016
sonichka11 Wrote:I saw them in Moncton on the 360 tour and they did play Zooropa.sean.bonner Wrote:U2 should tour ZooTV again.
Ugh don't remind me of what I missed!!!! Bonó's voice was the best it ever was or will be that tour. Nothing will ever top Mysterious Ways and Running into Streets from that tour. People like to bash Bono, but he had one of the best voices, technically, of any rock musicians. As mentioned, just listen to anything from that tour. Mind blowing. (I'm a bit biased lol Fav band and all. ) At least we got to hear a ton of AB 2 tour ago. There's always hope they'll bring out Zooropa one day though I doubt.
I digress. Don't ever get me going on u2. :lol:
Re: On Time Perception and 'Classic Hip' - sonichka11 - 09-05-2016
I meant the whole album, or at least a bunch of it. But yeah, Zooropa was pretty sweet, (as was Stay) except for the fact that it was at Commonwealth stadium in Edmonton and the wind was bad and the sound sucked where I was. If you weren't a fan who knew the expected setlist, you'd have no idea what in the hell they were playing. Nothing will ever top zootv though.
Re: On Time Perception and 'Classic Hip' - direwolf74 - 09-05-2016
sonichka11 Wrote:sean.bonner Wrote:U2 should tour ZooTV again.
Ugh don't remind me of what I missed!!!! Bonó's voice was the best it ever was or will be that tour. Nothing will ever top Mysterious Ways and Running into Streets from that tour. People like to bash Bono, but he had one of the best voices, technically, of any rock musicians. As mentioned, just listen to anything from that tour. Mind blowing. (I'm a bit biased lol Fav band and all. ) At least we got to hear a ton of AB 2 tour ago. There's always hope they'll bring out Zooropa one day though I doubt.
I digress. Don't ever get me going on u2. :lol:
Zoo TV was one of the greatest things I've ever seen, hands down. Elevation in Montreal in 2001 was pretty damn great as well. Unfortunately I didn't get to see 360 or the latest tour, but the blurays for those tours are fantastic. Next best thing to being there.
Re: On Time Perception and 'Classic Hip' - sonichka11 - 09-05-2016
This would be a good time to show off my zoo baby tat...and then I'll stop the u2 chatter.
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Re: On Time Perception and 'Classic Hip' - cochise - 09-05-2016
direwolf74 Wrote:At the height of the grunge explosion, the Hip were mentioned in the same breath as Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and the Chili Peppers in this country. They were easily one of the most powerful rock bands on the planet at the time. The fact that they were Canadian only made them that much cooler in our eyes.
The 90's itself was just an incredible time for Canadian music, it had never been so vast and wide ranged. The Hip were definitely the cream if the crop but man, we were a force to be reckoned with, so many great bands at that time. I don't think it had ever been so big, and I don't see it ever being like that again.
It was an amazing time to be a music nut.
Re: On Time Perception and 'Classic Hip' - direwolf74 - 09-05-2016
sonichka11 Wrote:This would be a good time to show off my zoo baby tat...and then I'll stop the u2 chatter.
Awesome tat! :thumb:
Re: On Time Perception and 'Classic Hip' - potsie - 09-05-2016
direwolf74 Wrote:It was the 90s, man. Every show was like that back then. The fans weren't necessarily being disrespectful; it's just what we did when we went to a rock show. You knew what you were getting into when you went up front, and it was your own damn fault if you couldn't handle it. I remember going to shows by The Watchmen, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, The Tea Party, 13 Engines, I Mother Earth...every one of them had crowd surfing and people going crazy. Actually, more often than not I found people to be pretty good for the most part, especially if you were crowd surfing. I was a small dude, so I was light and easy to toss around. It was fun. Of course I can't stand that stuff nowadays. But when I was 18, it was the cat's pajamas.
I had the opposite problem of you. I'm 6'4" so I always needed to keep my head on a swivel to watch for incoming crowd surfers. If someone's melon was going to meet with a pair of Doc Martens, it was going to be mine. I, too, can't imagine being in a mosh pit these days but back then it was the best way to truly experience the intensity of the music. The floor for most Canadian arena shows in the early and mid 90's was GA with no seating, at least up to and including the '95 DFN tour. (I was in a seat for the '96 TATH tour and I can't recall what was happening on the floor during that tour).
When a concert became a physical event (and by this I mean the bouncing, weaving, and occasional struggle to stay on your feet during a crowd surge) it elevated the intensity of the show. Like Gord, I would drop three buckets of sweat during a show and would leave with my shirt stretched and pulled in a few different areas and the occasional bruise as you mentioned. At times the floor crowd seemed to bounce in unison and it was in those moments that the music became transcendent. There were also moments where the energy on the floor would ebb and flow and then build to an apex. I remember well the calm before the storm during the first 30-40 seconds of Blow and right after the second time Gord sings "I can get behind anything" the mosh pit would explode. It was a sweaty and physical affair and I loved every minute at the time.
I never made it to an ARA show but there are some shots of the crowd from the '93 ARA that demonstrate well the energy of the fans back then. When I compare the shows I saw on this tour (Toronto #2 and #3) to shows I saw 20 years ago, there is a difference in energy level, or maybe better put, a difference in the type of energy. The MMP shows were the loudest shows (crowd-wise), for any band, that I've ever attended. And the high level of emotion in the room is something that I will likely never experience again. But it was not the same type of energy that was in the air 20-25 years ago. I can't articulate it well but there was more of an air of dangerous electricity back then. I guess it is likely due to the fact that the average age of a concert goer on the DFN or early ARA tours was probably early 20's and on recent tours it's pushing 40, and with the loss of youth the spark is diminished a bit.
Re: On Time Perception and 'Classic Hip' - direwolf74 - 09-05-2016
cochise Wrote:direwolf74 Wrote:At the height of the grunge explosion, the Hip were mentioned in the same breath as Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and the Chili Peppers in this country. They were easily one of the most powerful rock bands on the planet at the time. The fact that they were Canadian only made them that much cooler in our eyes.
The 90's itself was just an incredible time for Canadian music, it had never been so vast and wide ranged. The Hip were definitely the cream if the crop but man, we were a force to be reckoned with, so many great bands at that time. I don't think it had ever been so big, and I don't see it ever being like that again.
It was an amazing time to be a music nut.
Yea, the music scene in this country really came of age during that decade. I'd say probably 80% of my favorite bands at that time were Canadian, and I went to lots, and I mean LOTS of shows. There was one point in the mid-90s where I was seeing upwards of 2 shows a week. I was addicted. Bands were touring like crazy and club shows were really cheap back then. You could go see bands like the Watchmen, Headstones, Weeping Tile, Eric's Trip, or 13 Engines for only $15 or $20. Even the bigger, more established bands like the Hip and Blue Rodeo often charged less than $40. I still have my ticket stub from the first ARA in '93, and the price was $35. Unreal.
Re: On Time Perception and 'Classic Hip' - 131NC - 09-05-2016
direwolf74 Wrote:That would have been the IBE tour. That was the last time my wife and I saw them. It was in Asheville N.C. in October of 2004. Sam Roberts opened. We secured a great spot up front during Sam Roberts and stayed there. There was no crowd surfing during that show. Our first time seeing them was April 29, 1995 at the old Aud in Buffalo. We also saw them on ARA '95 in Markham, in November '96 in Buffalo. When we moved to N.C. we were lucky to see them in tiny venues where we just walked up to the front of the stage during the PP tour. We consider ourselves pretty lucky to have been at those concerts!sonichka11 Wrote:direwolf74 Wrote:Yeah I get it. I've just never been into that sorta thing, especially when the band is very clearly concerned about it.
I hear ya. As I got older, I grew out of that stuff pretty quickly and now I avoid it like the plague. I remember a Hip show in Spokane in 2004 in a small club called the Big Easy. The place held maybe 600 people, and I don't even think the show was sold out. Sam Roberts opened and there were maybe 30 people there during his set. By the time the Hip hit went on though, the area in front of the stage had filled up. The crowd surfing/moshing started about three songs into the set, which was ridiculous considering there was more than enough room in the place for people to spread out and just enjoy the show. Gord was pissed. He stopped the show at one point and told people to chill out. Everyone was on their best behavior after that.
Re: On Time Perception and 'Classic Hip' - potsie - 09-05-2016
direwolf74 Wrote:cochise Wrote:The 90's itself was just an incredible time for Canadian music, it had never been so vast and wide ranged. The Hip were definitely the cream if the crop but man, we were a force to be reckoned with, so many great bands at that time. I don't think it had ever been so big, and I don't see it ever being like that again.
It was an amazing time to be a music nut.
Yea, the music scene in this country really came of age during that decade. I'd say probably 80% of my favorite bands at that time were Canadian, and I went to lots, and I mean LOTS of shows. There was one point in the mid-90s where I was seeing upwards of 2 shows a week. I was addicted. Bands were touring like crazy and club shows were really cheap back then. You could go see bands like the Watchmen, Headstones, Weeping Tile, Eric's Trip, or 13 Engines for only $15 or $20. Even the bigger, more established bands like the Hip and Blue Rodeo often charged less than $40. I still have my ticket stub from the first ARA in '93, and the price was $35. Unreal.
1993-1998 were great years to be a fan of live Canadian music. I was spending every cent I made as a student on live shows and CD's, trying to leave a little for the beer fund. It seemed like every week there was either a great new album being released by a Canadian artist or a live show to attend. You mention the Headstones, the Watchmen, Eric's Trip, 13 Engines, all great live acts. I also remember seeing bands like 54-40, Sandbox, Moist, I Mother Earth, the Gandharvas, OLP, The Pursuit of Happiness and the Killjoys, sometimes 2 or 3 times a year. September was always a busy music month because you had frosh week concerts and usually the "Belevedere Rocks" concert series would start winding its way across the country.