Good lord... I'm going to have to move now. My city will be tainted.
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Rory
Halifax
Fear not, Rory; as soon as dubya realizes he's scheduled to visit Halifax and not a "Hall of Wax" he'll cancel the trip faster than he can say "Now, watch this drive." :lol:
~Scott
As everyone knows, he's heading to Ottawa on Tuesday...we'll be there, "Protesting", or whatever it's going to be...should be an experience...
that sounds like a wasted afternoon.
I sure won't be protesting. For some reason, now that he's won legitimately, the past six months are starting to seem really mentally exhausting. It was a lot easier to spit victriol for the first for years, after he'd stolen the election. Now I feel like I don't care half as much because it's going to be a looooong four years if I do. Let the Americans sleep in the bed they made...and then set on fire. I'll be outside enjoying the relatively clean air.
Just because a problem is old, doesn't make it less relevant-and isn't that a bit of an assumption, that he won legitimately?
I'm looking forward to going to Ottawa and getting caught up in it all-I read today that this is less of a diplomatic visit and more of a "business trip". It's the dirty business that deserves more protesting than a simple dimlomatic trip would.
Where are the other activists...
If there is a protest when Bush is in town, it better be peaceful. I lost all respect for anyone involved in any recent protests (i.e. WTO events in Seattle and Quebec City) where things turned violent. The idiots who committed the acts of thuggery are one thing, but the fact none of the other protesters stepped up to condemn the violence really upset me.
I'm ambivalent toward Bush I guess... I'm not a fan of his by any means, but I don't think he's the anti-Christ either. People who speak out against him are free to do so of course... just keep it peaceful or else you lose all credibility.
Bush decided not to speak in Parliament because of the potential for protest. At the last minute he announced he'd be making a speech here in Halifax. Guess he figured out the granola-eatin' tree-huggin' no-galdurn-good hippie freaks could organize carpools in time.
The Heron Outside Wrote:Just because a problem is old, doesn't make it less relevant-and isn't that a bit of an assumption, that he won legitimately?
I'm looking forward to going to Ottawa and getting caught up in it all-I read today that this is less of a diplomatic visit and more of a "business trip". It's the dirty business that deserves more protesting than a simple dimlomatic trip would.
Where are the other activists...
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cratch: How could he have not won legitimately with having 51 percent plus of the popular vote and the majority of the electoral vote? I understand why liberals are frustrated about losing to him, but wishful thinking about supposed electronic ballot tampering, etc doesnt help support the institutions. If Kerry and his advisors can accept the results and Bush's right to hold the office, why can't you?
grooveless touque Wrote:Bush decided not to speak in Parliament because of the potential for protest. At the last minute he announced he'd be making a speech here in Halifax. Guess he figured out the granola-eatin' tree-huggin' no-galdurn-good hippie freaks could organize carpools in time.
Well he also didnt want to deal with an idiot heckling him when he spoke. I am sure his aides informed him that it happened in Canada before. Svend Robinson did a good job embaressing himself while he heckled President Reagan's address to Parliament.
My friend is a cop in Toronto, he's elligable for a paid duty for the days that Bush in Toronto..for 5 days he'll make $5, 000...a grand a day..doesn't that make you sick?
Thehip21 Wrote:My friend is a cop in Toronto, he's elligable for a paid duty for the days that Bush in Toronto..for 5 days he'll make $5, 000...a grand a day..doesn't that make you sick?
I'm assuming he gets paid that cause most of the duty is overtime? or does the Toronto police union have something in their contract with the city about heads of state visiting?
I think it could be the risk involved..I'm sure they're only 8-12 hour shifts at most..
My sisters boyfriend is a firefighter here. They also have to be on duty the day Dubya arrives. He said they have to do two full weeks of emergency training just to be ready in case something serious happens. Apparently, he is a very high risk visitor and no stone is being left unturned in the Nation's Capital, in order to protect the public's safety. Yeah, right. Who's safety?
I don't think I will protest. It's not safe. Am I afraid of terrorists? No. I am afraid of the police with pepper spray. I know what you are going to say, but my brother is an RCMP officer. He told me these guys will be on full adrenline that day. Any slight move could cause a full scale incident. If things get heated, you may want to be well away from any barricades.
tragicallymike Wrote:that sounds like a wasted afternoon.
A wasted afternoon is sitting on your hands and saying nothing, great thing about democracy, you can protest, where officials deem is the correct place to( typically no where near where the people you want to give the message to are ), with a permit, if it's approved.
j-monster Wrote:People who speak out against him are free to do so of course... just keep it peaceful or else you lose all credibility..
Because some people can get violent, the message loses credibility ? Or all the people lose credibility ? Then surely the police have no credibility , nor does Bush, or are their exercises of violence justified, even without provocation? Police are known to incite violence at protests, it's a means of dispersing the crowd and giving a bad name to anyone who speaks out. Watch the propaganda grow in the Ottawa papers about the potential violence that protesters trucked in from wherever will cause.. Same in Halifax, simple tactic, police issue press release/conference about how they will do anything to keep the violent protesters from tainting the good name of their city, how they will exercise strict control and tolerate very little, the talk will be all about how negative protesters are. The typical Joe reads the paper and is proud what a great job the good men in uniform are doing to hold up the community values. "you can protest just don't riot" In essence it's just muffling anything that offers opposing views or dissent, and that's what it's meant to do. Look what happened during the APEC conference in 97. UBC students were pepper sprayed for having a peacefull protest, a completely legal protest, the police initiated the violence, not the protesters. What was the main issue of the protesters ? Well Suharto was there , infamous for the human rights violations in Indonesia. Later on Chretien came up with his famous wisecrack. "me I like pepper on my food" Go fuck yourself you piece of shit. (Chretien that is)